Why is it bad if the Koch brothers want to give $ to a political campaign, but good if a union wants to give money?

Keith Stone wrote:

Um...no wrote:

Are you kidding? The whole point of unions is to use collective bargaining to AVOID having to work for a living, as much as they possibly can get away with.

Even if the typical BS about unions were true, the union members are working for their money, performing a real job. Them trying to get their union to make their job easier isn't the point. Them trying to make their job easier is no different than Koch's wanting to pay less taxes. The primary moral difference is union members are doing real work for wages, an actual job, whereas the Koch's don't do anything but pay people to do work instead of doing it themselves.

I'd be willing to bet each Koch brother routinely worlds twice and many hours per week as the average Union member. Furthermore, the Kochs could easily learn to do any Union job (outside of pro sports) while 99% of union members are intellectually incapable of doing what the Kochs do.

Just because it doesn't involve a hammer doesn't mean it's not real work. Scientists think for a living...is what they do not real work?

Cantankerous wrote:

L L wrote:

A sports league is a subset of a nation which is a subset of civilized society.

The owners of these teams cannot pay their players whatever they want because they are part of a communal group that restricts this.

Stat your own sports league?

No individual owns any of these sports leagues.

They wouldn't be your players.

They are the owners players and they cannot pay them whatever they want.

A sports league is an example of a nation but on a smaller scale.

There is no rule earthlings have to do anything but nations do set up regulations for their citizens.

Please point to the US law that says that an extremely wealthy individual cannot start his own sports league and pay a player one billion dollars per year.

The antitrust exemption of both minor and major league baseball granted by the courts.

localunion137 wrote:

Unions work for the good of the people.

At one time they did, now they generally work for themselves.

Where I am, the union workers are grossly overpaid and underworked sloths.

I get it, protect the employee from being abused by the corporate elite, but jeez, it has gone so far the other way now by paying exorbitant salaries, and ridiculously generous pensions for people that don't have the skills or work ethic to be employed at McDonald's.

Union Jacked wrote:

localunion137 wrote:

Unions work for the good of the people.

At one time they did, now they generally work for themselves.

Where I am, the union workers are grossly overpaid and underworked sloths.

I get it, protect the employee from being abused by the corporate elite, but jeez, it has gone so far the other way now by paying exorbitant salaries, and ridiculously generous pensions for people that don't have the skills or work ethic to be employed at McDonald's.

I do work where we regularly need contractors. Sometimes we're required to use union contractors. They're generally far more expensive and the quality of work is lower. 9 out of 10 times I'd take the non-union contractor if costs were equal. Considering the non-union contractors are cheaper, it's no contest.

xcvf wrote:

Union Jacked wrote:

At one time they did, now they generally work for themselves.

Where I am, the union workers are grossly overpaid and underworked sloths.

I get it, protect the employee from being abused by the corporate elite, but jeez, it has gone so far the other way now by paying exorbitant salaries, and ridiculously generous pensions for people that don't have the skills or work ethic to be employed at McDonald's.

I do work where we regularly need contractors. Sometimes we're required to use union contractors. They're generally far more expensive and the quality of work is lower. 9 out of 10 times I'd take the non-union contractor if costs were equal. Considering the non-union contractors are cheaper, it's no contest.

Unions had/have their place where working conditions are overtly dangerous/deadly but for the most part those days have past in this country. Unions today impede progress and perpetuate incompetence (teacher's unions and other public sector workers) while creating massive debts for the rest of society (unfunded public pension funds).

I do not understand how modern labour unions can be faithful to the democratic party given their stance on low-skilled illegal immigrants. Thanks to the current administration's decisions on the issue: 1. low-skill illegal labour is now legal and 2. - and this is a big one - anyone considering crossing the border knows that we'll be soft on them and the possibility of ill-gotten citizenship continues to be a real.

And on top of that - you the democrats actually have no idea how this population will vote in the future especially given their religious beliefs.

You liberals who coalesce around the Democratic Party are idiots. You vote blindly just like the christian-right that you so admonish. You continue to create tomorrow's problems - please stop.

The day has past because unions did organize to get the gov't involved. OSHA, the ODEP, the EPA, and other regulatory agencies only exist because of unions.

You can bet that their funding will be cut the second that unions aren't involved in politics.

You really don't understand that? You don't understand how people could vote against their own economic self interest to help their fellow man?

You don't have many friends, do you?

Anyone who thinks that any flavor of Judeo-Christian religion is about building a double walled fence with machine gun turrets on our southern border really needs to examine their conscience.

I'm a professional orchestral and jazz musician, with seven years of higher education and a lot more work outside of that.I'm a member of the AFM, and I've known quite a few musicians who needed the union during their career. Could the koch bros replace all of us? I don't claim to be able to replace them, but then again I hope I will never be that ruthless.