Bratwurst wrote:
standards wrote:I feel like the hobby jogging cutoffs shouldn't be too strict.
You are not a hobby jogger if you are faster than:
5:30 for the mile
11:30 for the two mile
18:15 for the 5k
1:35 in the half
3:15 in the full marathon
I feel like these are fair standards.If you're faster than these, running may be a hobby to you, but you are good enough to call yourself a runner.
I sure hope these standards are for females...
Of course this was coming. .
A person is a hobby jogger unless they make above the poverty line in earnings due to their running. So for a single person this is $11,670/year. Student athletes are still considered hobby joggers (amateur).
I think Hobby Runners know themselves.
Dean Karnazes runs like a 3:00 marathon and some posters would assume he's a hobby jogger.
HA HA. Ridiculous, of course
And assuming that someone has to make a certain amount of money is rather insulting too, isn't it? Irrespective of the amount of time training? Irrespective of whether they place highly?
It's an interesting question, but placing time and income limits on it is rather silly.
Tony
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If "Hobby Jogging" is to be defined by performance, the measuring stick already exists: age-graded calculator. It doesn't make any sense to talk about times unless you also factor in age as well. IMO, anyone racing that consistently scores over 80% is probably not a hobby jogger. People scoring over 90% are certainly "elites" for their age group (I'm talking about amateurs here, not full-time pro runners).
But actual performance/times alone shouldn't be the only factor. As others have said and I agree with, the extent to which someone is "serious" about training and racing and devoting time to get the best performance they can, regardless of where they exist on the actual time spectrum.
The person saying "hobby jogger" is always a sub-elite.
Thus, everyone faster than this person is an Elite Runner.
Everyone slower than this person is a Hobby Jogger.
BeLikePre wrote:
Running a sub 18:30 5K in the 55-59 AG
Little old for that "Be Like Pre" stuff.That might be a hobby jogger.
Mods, please delete this thread. It stinks of hobby joggers trying to defend their pathetic prs.
cbenson4 wrote:In my opinion...
A hobby jogger is a person who only treats running like a hobby and doesn't care too much about how fast they are. They're happy with improvements but their lives don't revolve around their PRs or their next step in achieving a PR. They just run for fun. They don't stress about missing a day or two of training. Essentially, they primarily run for the health benefits and because it's a little something they enjoy, but aren't in love with.
You can be a slow runner, but this doesn't make you a hobby jogger. If you love running and you put your heart and soul into it, and train hard, and compete seriously hard in races, you're not a hobby jogger.
There's nothing truly wrong with being a hobby jogger, but it's insulting to give a dedicated, competitive runner that kind of title.
Agreeeeeed wrote:I thought this was a good reply.
As I mentioned earlier, cbenson4's post is actually a great definition of a hobby jogger's rationale for him thinking he is not one.
If I play chess or Scrabble for a couple hours a day and pay money to occasionally attend events put on to bring other like-minded people together, is it not still a hobby? Have I become too awesome and "serious" for that?
I really like cooking. I've taken classes, cook every day, and even cook for friends. I'm a better cook than any of my friends and I study it to no end to become better. Is it any more than a hobby?
You see, cbenson4's derogatory description of a hobby jogger works for you because it strengthens your reasons why you certainly aren't one. It makes you feel superior, because you are a "dedicated, competitive runner." How DARE someone call you a hobby jogger! Errr, except you are one. So am I. I've been a full time race director, taught run clinics at the local run store, been on the national collegiate XC team, all that stuff. I have a bookshelf full of every major run book put out during the past 15 years. Bought the hardcover version of OAR the day it was re-released a few years back, after suffering through the illegal PDF version I downloaded and printed. Got up in the middle of the night to watch Geb beat Tergat in Sydney in the 10,000m. I'll talk about running all day to anyone that will listen. We're all similar. That's why we are here.
I love running. Just like you. But it's a hobby, and a cherished one. Nothing more. What's wrong with that?
standards wrote:I feel like the hobby jogging cutoffs shouldn't be too strict.
You are not a hobby jogger if you are faster than:
5:30 for the mile
11:30 for the two mile
18:15 for the 5k
1:35 in the half
3:15 in the full marathon
I feel like these are fair standards.If you're faster than these, running may be a hobby to you, but you are good enough to call yourself a runner.
Let me guess. These are somewhere around your PRs. ;-)
I'm closer to age 50 than 40 and I can run a full marathon almost half an hour faster than this. My HM is more than 15 minutes faster than your cutoff. I win some local races. I almost always place in the top 1% - 3% in everything but the big events.
But I am a total hobby jogger. No amount of ego or silly rationalizing would make me feel otherwise.
There's nothing wrong with loving running and making it your all-consuming hobby. For real. What is it with the uptightness?
The "I'm not a hobby jogger" syndrome is the EXACT SAME mentality that causes middle-aged housewives to buy the GU and fuel belts and talk about intervals and lactic acid, or the middle-aged lawyer who buys a Colnago or whatever and rides around in full pro outfits with all the sponsor logos and aero helmets.
It's a hobby. Trying hard to make it look like it's anything more just makes you look insecure and silly. Read the earlier post about the guy who trained with elites for a little while. Notice how the elites don't behave at all like the hobby joggers who are trying to imitate.... yes, the elites; or what they envision elite behaviour to be.
I bet these standards were a tad slower than the posters personal bests
easy weeks wrote:
The "I'm not a hobby jogger" syndrome is the EXACT SAME mentality that causes middle-aged housewives to buy the GU and fuel belts and talk about intervals and lactic acid, or the middle-aged lawyer who buys a Colnago or whatever and rides around in full pro outfits with all the sponsor logos and aero helmets.
POD
Anyone with a serious and thoughtful reply in this thread is obviously a hobbyjogger
trollette wrote:
Anyone with a serious and thoughtful reply in this thread is obviously a hobbyjogger
That's because every person on letsrun is a hobby jogger.
If you aren't trying to win the race, you're a hobby jogger.
So, someone like Ritz is a hobby marathoner. In domestic races, he is a real runner though.
When you really care about improving your race times
When you really care that the race course is accurate.
When you start increasing your mileage to become faster.
When you dump the "we're all winners" mindset.
Hobby joggers are the people that run just because they enjoy it. Could be training seriously, could just be running, but aren't getting a steady source of income from it.
Hobby jogger and proud of it.
I've run a sub 4 mile while hobby jogging.
'I love running. Just like you. But it's a hobby, and a cherished one. Nothing more. What's wrong with that?'
Why did you not say I love jogging
Are you all too thick to understand that it is the jogging bit that is erroneous
ukathleticscoach wrote:
'I love running. Just like you. But it's a hobby, and a cherished one. Nothing more. What's wrong with that?'
Why did you not say I love jogging
Are you all too thick to understand that it is the jogging bit that is erroneous
Jogging in this context refers to speed, not effort. I guess you're too thick to understand the implications of that.
another hobby coach wrote:
ukathleticscoach wrote:'I love running. Just like you. But it's a hobby, and a cherished one. Nothing more. What's wrong with that?'
Why did you not say I love jogging
Are you all too thick to understand that it is the jogging bit that is erroneous
Jogging in this context refers to speed, not effort. I guess you're too thick to understand the implications of that.
No, its definitely you he said I love running the speed is spefically why it should not be referred to as jogging
To reiterate to the retards, my whole problem with it is calling faster runners joggers just because they are not paid for it or do run at college
Balian wrote:
When you really care about improving your race times
When you really care that the race course is accurate.
When you start increasing your mileage to become faster.
When you dump the "we're all winners" mindset.
All of this applies to me, and I am undoubtedly a hobby jogger, because...
I don't make assumptions that any one slower than myself is simply trying to finish the race.
I don't make assumptions that one's PB tells how much they know about training. (And how useful their knowledge is.)
I don't make assumptions that those who are training on their own are less dedicated than any one who runs for a sanctioned team.
How could I possibly be not a hobby jogger?