In fact, they might have been under instructions (or dynamic race instructions) to back off once they were not running that well as a team. Too much might have been made of an early-season fitness level.
In fact, they might have been under instructions (or dynamic race instructions) to back off once they were not running that well as a team. Too much might have been made of an early-season fitness level.
26mi235 wrote:
When you get to the big stage, what happens with 3/4/5 matters a lot more than what happens with 1/2. If the 4/5 guys are scoring 50-60 points, you can go 1/2/3 and still be well over 100 (e.g., 116). Look at the time difference between Colorado's 4/5 and the Oregon guys and multiply by 3 (or more) per second. Do, however, account for the difference between 8 and 10km in terms of the ability of guys to race well.
Oregon's 1/2 are better than Colorado. Both teams 6/7 are a wash (at least in this race). In the last month of the season can Oregon's 3/4/5 improve 3 to 5 seconds per mile? It's going to come down to which team peaks better at NCAAs. I'm not ready to hand the trophy to Colorado yet.
1. 30 COLORADO (23:49 119:02 0:12)
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1 4 93 Blake Theroux 23:42
2 5 94 Connor Winter 23:44
3 6 86 Ammar Moussa 23:49
4 7 87 Pierce Murphy 23:53
5 8 91 Ben Saarel 23:54
6 ( 19) 85 Jake Hurysz 24:14
7 ( 28) 90 Adam Peterman 24:21
2. 57 OREGON (23:55 119:31 0:54)
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1 1 110 Edward Cheserek 23:23
2 2 115 Eric Jenkins 23:34
3 15 117 Matthew Melancon 24:08
4 16 123 Daniel Winn 24:09
5 23 122 Cole Watson 24:17
6 ( 24) 116 Jake Leingang 24:18
7 ( 31) 118 Travis Neuman 24:27
T BONE wrote:
Simple math...
If Jim Rosa runs, lets say he runs with his brother and gets 4th...
This puts Stanfords score to 43 (-21 + 4), and Colorado's score to 35 (+5).
Much closer...
If Korolev runs like last week and runs with the brothers and gets 5th...This puts Stanfords score to 39 (-4) and Colorados to 40 (+5).
I know 'WOULDA COULDA SHOULDA', but still crazy to think about. If Joe Rosa is healthy, and Korolev runs with them, they beat the 'unbeatable' Colorado team.
If we are playing this game why not put Hurysz up in the pack with the rest of the Buffs? This bumps them by Stanford
What happened to Ben Saarel?
He finished 8th.
cbenson4 wrote:
What happened to Ben Saarel?
Seriously this talk of if Rosa this and if Oregon that is bulls**t. All of your excuses are lame. Colorado rolled you up today and they are going to destroy you at NCAAs. Deal with it.
Nice run for Molly Grabill. I would dearly love to see her lift a trophy with her teammates after what happened to her in that horrific incident when an idiot through a rock through her car window from an overpass 2 years ago. I don't usually root for the Ducks but I'll make an exception in this case.
Jonathan Gault wrote:
Pac-12s was just the latest evidence of what is become clearer week by week: this Colorado team is historically good.
Putting five in front of the guy who just won Wisconsin is ridiculous. You can make the argument that Korolev didn't run his best (and he probably didn't), but Rosa was the only guy that lost to him at Wisco and beat him today (and you can argue Rosa had an off day at Wisco and that he's basically on the same level as Korolev right now). AND CU didn't even run Morgan Pearson, who is looking more and more likely to redshirt as the season goes on.
Obviously a big race for Stanford too. They're not going to win the whole thing, but being within three points of Oregon is a good sign and suggests they have a shot at the podium if they run well at nationals (a big if recently).
One final note: Colorado actually scored fewer points at Pac-12s last year (28 versus 30 this year) but I bet they score a lot fewer than 149 at NCAAs this year.
The Colorado team is Amazing. And their coach is an stellar individual. I had a long conversation with him at USA's, truly a great guy, a humble steward of the sport. HOF coach for sure.
Where will this Colorado team rank amoungst the all time great NCAA XC teams?
puhlsa wrote:
T BONE wrote:Simple math...
If Jim Rosa runs, lets say he runs with his brother and gets 4th...
This puts Stanfords score to 43 (-21 + 4), and Colorado's score to 35 (+5).
Much closer...
If Korolev runs like last week and runs with the brothers and gets 5th...This puts Stanfords score to 39 (-4) and Colorados to 40 (+5).
I know 'WOULDA COULDA SHOULDA', but still crazy to think about. If Joe Rosa is healthy, and Korolev runs with them, they beat the 'unbeatable' Colorado team.
You also have to consider that Colorado wasn't giving a full effort since they all finished together. This was a workout for them and they dominated. Wait til they are allowed to run more independtly at nationals.
A workout literally at sea level. Jog in the park for them.
yoyomama wrote:
Nice run for Molly Grabill. I would dearly love to see her lift a trophy with her teammates after what happened to her in that horrific incident when an idiot through a rock through her car window from an overpass 2 years ago. I don't usually root for the Ducks but I'll make an exception in this case.
Yes!
So didn't Jim run Rosa?
I'm pretty sure one of the Rosas is out for the season.
gjklfxck wrote:
So didn't Jim run Rosa?
'tard wrote:
He finished 8th.
cbenson4 wrote:What happened to Ben Saarel?
He also got 8th at NCAAs last year and if I'm not mistaken he was #1 on his team at Pre-Nats. I guess he had a bad race.
cbenson4 wrote:
He also got 8th at NCAAs last year and if I'm not mistaken he was #1 on his team at Pre-Nats. I guess he had a bad race.
Or Wetmore told him to save it for NCAAs. It is very hard for young runners to put out a maximum effort for 3 XC races in a row to end the season.
A Duck wrote:
Yes!
This being letsrun I take exception to your exclamation! A more subtle period is in order here, you don't want to come across as too enthusiastic because it turns off the millenials. How old are you... over 35?
been there too wrote:
cbenson4 wrote:He also got 8th at NCAAs last year and if I'm not mistaken he was #1 on his team at Pre-Nats. I guess he had a bad race.
Or Wetmore told him to save it for NCAAs. It is very hard for young runners to put out a maximum effort for 3 XC races in a row to end the season.
Oh yes, I know that for sure lol. I hope that's the case. I would love to see him surprise some people at NCAAs this season.