!?! wrote:
Please tell me you're a troll or at least not an American HS student.
Please.
American for sure but probably not a student. I doubt any schools can be that crappy. It's probably just someone who gets their facts from Fox News and other right-wing media. This is their BS version of history - that America saved Europe from the nazis and later Reagan destroyed the Soviet Union. Lots of people actually believe that.
Another Lack of Data Point wrote:
And a buffer zone? Against what? Against whom? Was the US or Britain or France really going to try to take over Russia? What the heck were they buffering against? And if against nothing then what was the value of such a 'buffer zone'?
Having sufferred so badly when Germany invaded in WWII they wanted a buffer, a zone where they could fight an invader somewhere other than on their own territory. And they wanted a buffer against a potential invasion by the western allies. That was not a far fetched fear given the western incursion on the side of the Whites in their civil war and some serious interest among western military types in re-arming the Germans and invading the USSR.
HRE wrote:
Another Lack of Data Point wrote:And a buffer zone? Against what? Against whom? Was the US or Britain or France really going to try to take over Russia? What the heck were they buffering against? And if against nothing then what was the value of such a 'buffer zone'?
Having sufferred so badly when Germany invaded in WWII they wanted a buffer, a zone where they could fight an invader somewhere other than on their own territory. And they wanted a buffer against a potential invasion by the western allies. That was not a far fetched fear given the western incursion on the side of the Whites in their civil war and some serious interest among western military types in re-arming the Germans and invading the USSR.
We appear to be talking about two different things.
You appear to be talking about the Soviet's motivation ex-ante.
I was referring to the benefits that the Soviet's actually achieved post facto.
ww2 lover3 wrote:
I applaud you as the only other knowledgeable poster on this subject.
1. Unlike what most people think...
Thanks for posting.
Every once is a long while someone who actually knows what he/she is talking about posts on these boards.
Refreshing to see and appreciated.
I would like to praise Norway for having the best commando force in occupied Europe.
And to England, good one you for sinking the entire Dago navy in one single fantastic Air Raid.
Wørd wrote:
!?! wrote:Please tell me you're a troll or at least not an American HS student.
Please.
American for sure but probably not a student. I doubt any schools can be that crappy. It's probably just someone who gets their facts from Fox News and other right-wing media. This is their BS version of history - that America saved Europe from the nazis and later Reagan destroyed the Soviet Union. Lots of people actually believe that.
Yes the shiat those dumb Americans believe like Eisenhower was actually the commander of the allied forces and Anericans actually led the way along with GB and Canada landing on those Normandy beaches. We all know that liberal FDR didn't have the balls to do such a thing. Hell everyone but those FOX news types knows that America wasn't even involved in the war! They never even dropped little boy and fat man on Japan! That Manhattan Project was all made up with good Republican camera work. Those dumb American basturds!
WWII was mainly in Russia and in China. Amusingly the US somehow claims it won WWII when it was China and Russia who did 90% of the fighting and dying.
The Greatest Raid of All Time (WW2) http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nXusKM5uX0s
Not a Chinaman wrote:
WWII was mainly in Russia and in China. Amusingly the US somehow claims it won WWII when it was China and Russia who did 90% of the fighting and dying.
Duh, dying isn't winning moron.
Parkstart wrote:
Wørd wrote:American for sure but probably not a student. I doubt any schools can be that crappy. It's probably just someone who gets their facts from Fox News and other right-wing media. This is their BS version of history - that America saved Europe from the nazis and later Reagan destroyed the Soviet Union. Lots of people actually believe that.
Yes the shiat those dumb Americans believe like Eisenhower was actually the commander of the allied forces and Anericans actually led the way along with GB and Canada landing on those Normandy beaches. We all know that liberal FDR didn't have the balls to do such a thing. Hell everyone but those FOX news types knows that America wasn't even involved in the war! They never even dropped little boy and fat man on Japan! That Manhattan Project was all made up with good Republican camera work. Those dumb American basturds!
You know what's more hillarious. Many Americans, Republicans and Faux Pas News believe that there is this thing called a radar invented by GB and mass produced in the US during WWII that they claim can actually modulate information on a carrier wave of various frequencies and amplitude and transmit these signals and bounce it off incoming planes and various other objects then receive these signals through demodulation by a local oscilator. Then send the electrons of the demodulated signal through an aperature of an anode and display this information onto the phosphorus of a cathode ray tube which gave the allies a clear advantage in determining range and velocity of incoming German planes. The stuff these clowns believe.
They even believe we can split atoms! Enrich uranium! and that these things called nuclear missles that fly through air actually exist. They even think that rockets can deliver these things called satelites into outer space that they claim are used for things called cell phones and television! That these cell phones can actually sent audio signals and people can talk to each other and stuff. Dumb fuks!
SMJO wrote:
OP must think there is a difference between England and Britain.
He wouldn't be wrong either...
Not a Chinaman wrote:
WWII was mainly in Russia and in China. Amusingly the US somehow claims it won WWII when it was China and Russia who did 90% of the fighting and dying.
well no
and the reliance on casualty numbers as a measure of success is faulty - if casualty counts were a positive, the Jews would have almost won ww2.
Take the battle of midway - only 307 Americans died but it was a key victory.
And Hiroshima and Nagasaki - zero americans died but they brought a close to the war.
Saying 'china won the war because they lost 5 million people' doesn't really mean anything.
I assume you now that the British and French controlled sectors of Berlin until 1990.
If Hitler had given his engineers a few more years to develop and perfect technologies like Fighter Jets, V-2 rockets, and nuclear weapons instead of invading Russia..... Germany would have won or at least been that much harder to defeat. Many people have no clue of just how good the Nazi scientific program really was up to 1941-42. Keep in mind the Allies heavily relied on defected German scientists and their research in not only the Manhattan project but in the development of other German-pioneered technologies for their own use.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Me_262
OK, OK, I shall clear up the confusion.....
Great Britain is made up of the geographical entities of England, Scotland and Wales.
We have the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
Thus, there are four "countries" that make up the United Kingdom; England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.
Only the United Kingdom issues passports and can confer "nationality". The four separate "countries" (Wales is technically a principality) do not issue passports, nor are they represented separately in the EU, at NATO or the UN. Only the United Kingdom represents citizens of the four "countries" at international bodies.
The major exception is in the sporting realm, where bodies like FIFA and the Commonwealth Games have allowed the anachronistic situation of separate teams like Scotland and England to continue to compete separately. Note the IOC do not however - the United Kingdom competes as "Team GB" (technically only England, Scotland and Wales remember). Athletes from Northern Ireland, a part of the United Kingdom, but not part of Great Britain, are allowed to compete for either the Irish Olympic team or Team GB.
England is the dominant country of the four, geographically, politically, demographically and economically. Thus, people lazily use England as shorthand for what they mean to be the United Kingdom.
There is strong nationalist sentiment in Scotland right now, with a referendum looming on whether to leave the United Kingdom taking place later this year. In Wales, nationalist sentiment is much weaker, with practically no appetite for the Principality to become a full-blown separate country. And for reasons of geography and history, the situation in Northern Ireland would require an essay in it's own right, and so I won't attempt to explain the situation over there.
Americans seem to think London to is England. Drives me nuts. "I'm not going to London", "oh I thought you were on vacation", "I've told you I'm going to Manchester", "is that near London?"
Switzerland served as Germany's bankers, so it was not really neutral at all. They bought their freedom.
Don't forget how much isolationist sentiment there was in the U.S. after WWI, especially among Republicans. Without FDR's lend-lease program, the Soviets would have had much more difficulty with the Germans, but the Soviet sacrifice was of a scale far far larger than the American contribution. D-Day, in a way, distracts us from the overall picture, since it suggests we were not in Europe until that time (but we were already in Italy), that the war in North Africa was not key, and that we were not heavily engaged in the Pacific theater against the Japanese. A direct assault on Britain by Hitler would have brought us into the war much more quickly. The bottom line is that regardless of Hitler's many mistakes, Germany and Japan, like the American south, never had a chance to win the war against the United States, UK and Soviet Union, because the Allied advantage in manpower and industrial production was overwhelming.
The Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland was a Nazi-controlled bank.
Standard Oil, owned by the Rockfellers, provided the Nazis with oil via Argentina, Vichy France and Switzerland, financed by JP Morgan.
Rockefeller Chase Bank in Paris did $ millions worth of business with the Nazis.
Ford built trucks in Vichy France to supply to the German forces.
ITT in Berne supplied Germans with technology to help guide V1 and V2 rockets, which killed thousands in London towards the end of the war. They also built the Focke-Wolf aircraft that were used to attack civilians and allied troops.
War Profiteer wrote:
The Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland was a Nazi-controlled bank.
Standard Oil, owned by the Rockfellers, provided the Nazis with oil via Argentina, Vichy France and Switzerland, financed by JP Morgan.
Rockefeller Chase Bank in Paris did $ millions worth of business with the Nazis.
Ford built trucks in Vichy France to supply to the German forces.
ITT in Berne supplied Germans with technology to help guide V1 and V2 rockets, which killed thousands in London towards the end of the war. They also built the Focke-Wolf aircraft that were used to attack civilians and allied troops.
good post - I didn't know any of this.
The circumstances are much grayer than you imply - I mean, could Ford execs in Michigan have stopped a plant in 1941 in Vichy from producing anything?
But standard oil did apparently use dodges like panamanian registration of ships to keep oil flowing to Germany even during the battle of britain.
ouch
Oh those Rockefellers