No, make them run 10k each way to and from school each day, barefoot. Beat the if they are late.
Conventional wisdom here wrote:
All fast 7 th graders should stop training immediately so they can improve a lot from high school to college
No, make them run 10k each way to and from school each day, barefoot. Beat the if they are late.
Conventional wisdom here wrote:
All fast 7 th graders should stop training immediately so they can improve a lot from high school to college
So this kid is now basically the same age as Jakob Ingebrigtsen?
The difference is stunning right now...Jakob 1:51 (800), 3:42 (1500), and 14:38 (5k)
Judging from his Eurocross win, he is about to take about a minute off that 5K.
nuances wrote:
So this kid is now basically the same age as Jakob Ingebrigtsen?
The difference is stunning right now...Jakob 1:51 (800), 3:42 (1500), and 14:38 (5k)
fastyoungfastold wrote:
Take the top 100 times for 8th grades in the mile. More of those people will run 4:20 or faster than any other group of 100 people. You think 101-200 pan out better than the 1-100 times? They don't.
This would actually be an interesting study: compare the top 100 8th graders in the mile to the hundred plus category and see what happens when they reach their Sr year in HS.
I would venture to guess the hundred plus category would outperform the top hundred, mostly because those runners who didn't compete in middle school would rise to the surface.
If this was the case ( i'm not sure it is we'd have to see the data) then an argument could be made that running fast in middle school is detrimental to your long-term development.
From my own personal experience, I didn't know any middle schoolers who could run 4:30 in the mile but I know a couple handfuls of sophomores who could go 4:20.
Jefe in the CO wrote:
fastyoungfastold wrote:Take the top 100 times for 8th grades in the mile. More of those people will run 4:20 or faster than any other group of 100 people. You think 101-200 pan out better than the 1-100 times? They don't.
This would actually be an interesting study: compare the top 100 8th graders in the mile to the hundred plus category and see what happens when they reach their Sr year in HS.
I would venture to guess the hundred plus category would outperform the top hundred, mostly because those runners who didn't compete in middle school would rise to the surface.
Well obviously 100+ would do better than 1-100 because 100+ has millions of young kids. I'm saying 1-100 would do better than any other 100 times in a row.
fastyoungfastold wrote:
Well obviously 100+ would do better than 1-100 because 100+ has millions of young kids. I'm saying 1-100 would do better than any other 100 times in a row.
But does that help or hurt your premise? If 1-100 is better than all other 100 member cohorts (which still remains to be seen but let's say it's probable) but is not better than 101 - 300/500/1,000/ or 100 +, then wouldn't we find greater talent outside of the 1-100 group at some level. Would that mean that running fast as a middle schooler (defined here as top 100 nationwide) is detrimental to a runner's overall development? Not saying that they don't have more talent, maybe just not capable of seeing that talent to its fruition because of injuries, burnout, other interests, etc.
I am a fan of running at all ages but I'm not a big fan of distance runners gunning for records that are fast at a certain age but not all that fast in the big picture. It seems to be fine for technical events or the sprints but intense distance running and racing is hard work for pre and pubescent boys and girls on both a physical and emotional level.
Until we see the data I'm still operating under the assumption that middle schoolers should run and race, if they're motivated, at the local level but skip the urge to race at a national level. That being said, even if the data proves otherwise I think I'd still be reticent to support it.
Hahaha all the people that doubted. He just won a national championship with a 4:10 and is gonna run at UNC
PacNorWest wrote:
While impressive, these threads are pointless because they turn into ridiculous speculation.
Which you immediately did.
I predict the runner gets bored and plays club soccer through high school.
nuances wrote:
So this kid is now basically the same age as Jakob Ingebrigtsen?
The difference is stunning right now...Jakob 1:51 (800), 3:42 (1500), and 14:38 (5k)
Aged like fine wine.
4:03 mile in Raleigh at Sir Walter Pop Up Miles on 6/28/19. Second fastest prep mile in the USA this year.