Potential disaster at 2014 USA Indoors? Straight 1500 final and there are 22 women, 18 men already in each race

In 2012 there were 21 competitors run in two sections (i.e. two races, actually called "heats" in the below results), with the second section being the fastest. Probably the way it will be run this year, in spite of what the schedule says. Heather Haug (4:26.9) was the fastest in the first section in 2012. So we won't have a repeat of last year's super-slow pace, but still probably plenty of room for "sit and kick" tactics in the second section.Women 1500 Meter Run================================================================ Heat 1: Double Waterfall Start. (7, 4) Heat 2: Double Waterfall Start. (6, 4) World: W 3:58.28 2/18/2006 Yelena Soboleva, RUS American: A 3:59.98 2/1/2003 Regina Jacobs, Nike Meet: M 4:03.08 1997 Mary Slaney, USA Name Year Team Finals ================================================================ 1 Jennifer Simpson New Balance 4:15.04 2 Brenda Martinez New Balance 4:15.11 3 Sara Vaughn unattached 4:18.25 4 Lauren Johnson unattached 4:19.30 5 Lauren Centrowitz New Balance 4:20.35 6 Sara Hall Asics 4:21.64 7 Katherine Follett unattached 4:22.43 8 Lauren Bonds adidas Ralei 4:23.51 9 Heather Haug unattached 4:26.90 10 Mason Cathey Saucony 4:27.99 11 Margaret Infeld New York AC 4:28.14 12 Nicole Schappert New York AC 4:29.97 13 Catherine Beck Central Park 4:30.41 14 Erin Koch unattached 4:31.07 15 Chantelle Dron unattached 4:31.73 16 Amanda LoPiccolo Syracuse Cha 4:32.63 17 Shayla Houlihan Brooks 4:33.23 18 Rose Wetzel Club Northwe 4:34.29 19 Kate Grace New Jersey N 4:36.46 20 Kerri Gallagher unattached 4:40.37 -- Bianca Martin Bowerman AC DNF

rojo wrote:

Is USATF update? wrote:

As of Thursday 2/20/14 at 1:30 EST there are no multiple sections shown for the 1500 or 3000, although they are shown for shorter distances-

http://www.usatf.org/Events---Calendar/2014/USA-Indoor-Track---Field-Championships/Schedule.aspx

Roller derby time?

Do people not read? Somehow this thread is now 3 pages long.

The 5th post in thisthread showed there are field caps:

one other caveat wrote:

Did you guys not see this? USATF has put field size caps on the events.

20 in the 800m.

12 in the 1500m.

16 in the 3000m.

Right there on the website:

http://www.usatf.org/Events---Calendar/2014/USA-Indoor-Track---Field-Championships/Athlete-Info/Qualifying-Standards.aspx

00739 wrote:

Hey Rojo,

There is credible evidence as we all know,(as we all know who's in the know) that the USATF needs a total revamping. I would love to help; there are others.

what did usatf do wrong?

Btw, this same discussion comes up each year.

They have now posted that there will be an a and b heat.

beantaxi wrote:

You began by not reading the USATF web site, then being a bit obnoxious toward the person who pointed that out. Then you apparently haven't read any of the many posts who pointed out those are field minimums, not caps.

So no, some people don't read.

Just reposting what this guy said so the correct information is out there. Everyone read this ^^^^ so you don't come on here saying stupid sheet over and over again.

Jogger to be wrote:

They have now posted that there will be an a and b heat.

Heat sheets up:

So how do Rupp and Torrence get into the fast heat at 1500m when they are listed with NT and they are at the end of the list of qualifiers yet Rowbury ends up in the slow heat of the ladies 1500m?

This sucks! Unlike most of you, I actually want it to be all in one heat. Chances are there is going to be some scratches, but even without that, 22 girls/18 guys all battling it out, all plowing each other for position, people sleeping on the back of the pack, a fast 100m cause half the group wants to get to the front right away, tactic flaws, and a fast last lap, because 22 girls/18 guys only know a few are going to make it... that's what I like to see, good ole fashion, elite group packed racing. I think taking 2 heats is taking the fun out of it.

hmm, maybe rowbury would have been better off sticking with the "NT" instead of ekeing out that qualifier here last weekend. whatever, slazer will use his nike muscle to get her into the "correct" heat, you watch.

Rowbury has a 4:43 q which is horrid. Maybe there is no current evidence to counteract her seed time.

Rupps fitness is not in question. If SR had recently set one or more American records, I'm guessing she too would be afforded the benefit of the doubt.

Well the qualifier was run at altitude and converts to mid 4:30's according to the conversion charts for altitude adjustments

Also, she does happen to have the fastest World Indoor qualifier time of all the entries at 1500m with her 4:01 race in Monaco

Furthermore, The race in Albuquerque last week was a workout. Slow 1200m then very fast last 400m so I don't think it is an indicator of her current fitness

Rupp gets into the faster heat with NT. Above the rules. Shocker.

Who will Casey bitch about when he finishes last in his section?

steve dildarian wrote:

Rupp gets into the faster heat with NT. Above the rules. Shocker.

Do you think he shouldn't have been let in? As discussed in previous threads, he was let in because he got the world A standard in the 1500m last January with his 3:34 en route split to his 3:50 indoor mile. Perfectly legal and a legitimate mark. His having a NT listed currently does not negate these facts, nor does it make his presence in heat above the rules.

You and Riley Masters/Dave Mackey need to reread the first page of this thread and what times can be used for qualifying.

uwmeet wrote:

steve dildarian wrote:

Rupp gets into the faster heat with NT. Above the rules. Shocker.

Do you think he shouldn't have been let in? As discussed in previous threads, he was let in because he got the world A standard in the 1500m last January with his 3:34 en route split to his 3:50 indoor mile. Perfectly legal and a legitimate mark. His having a NT listed currently does not negate these facts, nor does it make his presence in heat above the rules.

USATF seems to be inconsistent though. The argument you make for Rupp is compelling, but Rowbury has a fast outdoor time that applies as a World Indoor qualifier, but USATF apparently didn't use that time to seed her. To avoid controversy, they really need to spell out how they're applying the various routes to qualification and what they're going to do if they have more qualifiers than fit in one heat. Also now that they have two heats the world team selection criteria needs to be spelled out. I assume it's the two fastest times across the heats, but they need to say so.

uwmeet wrote:

steve dildarian wrote:

Rupp gets into the faster heat with NT. Above the rules. Shocker.

Do you think he shouldn't have been let in? As discussed in previous threads, he was let in because he got the world A standard in the 1500m last January with his 3:34 en route split to his 3:50 indoor mile. Perfectly legal and a legitimate mark. His having a NT listed currently does not negate these facts, nor does it make his presence in heat above the rules.

Of course I think Rupp deserves to get in the fast heat. But for the same reasons that you argue, so does Rowbury.

My question is why the preferential treatment for the two male athletes with NT over the equally qualified female athlete.

Riley Masters is in the slow heat, and he's pissed: http://www.runblogrun.com/2014/02/usatf-muddies-mile-heat-selection-athletes-left-without-explanation-by-jon-gugula.html

Pre's Stroller wrote:

Riley Masters is in the slow heat, and he's pissed:

http://www.runblogrun.com/2014/02/usatf-muddies-mile-heat-selection-athletes-left-without-explanation-by-jon-gugula.html

So if the slow heat races hard and beats the fast heat, they still wont qualify for worlds?

According to the link discussing Masters situation, the slow heat is just an exhibition and not even eligible for world team selection

That sucks for the athletes who already have the world qualifier who are put in the slow heat