FARAH TO FACE WORLD'S BEST AT 2014 LONDON MARATHON :elite field announced

agip wrote:

If you think all muscles are the same and the competitor chooses what event to train for...well we don't have much to talk about.

We don't have much to talk about because you have no idea what you're talking about. All muscles are indeed the same and competitors do indeed decide what event they want to train for. If you train for speed events, you will develop your fast twitch muscle fibers. If you train for endurance events, you will develop your slow twitch muscle fibers.

You pick an event and then you train for it. That's how this works. I don't know how you think it works.

edi wrote:

agip wrote:

If you think all muscles are the same and the competitor chooses what event to train for...well we don't have much to talk about.

We don't have much to talk about because you have no idea what you're talking about. All muscles are indeed the same and competitors do indeed decide what event they want to train for. If you train for speed events, you will develop your fast twitch muscle fibers. If you train for endurance events, you will develop your slow twitch muscle fibers.

You pick an event and then you train for it. That's how this works. I don't know how you think it works.

ok - you're right. we have nothing to talk about.

agip wrote:

ok - you're right. we have nothing to talk about.

Just so we're clear, you're saying that slow running doesn't develop slow twitch fibers and fast running doesn't develop fast twitch fibers? Please answer this so that we all know whether or not to trust anything else you say in the future.

edi wrote:

agip wrote:

ok - you're right. we have nothing to talk about.

Just so we're clear, you're saying that slow running doesn't develop slow twitch fibers and fast running doesn't develop fast twitch fibers? Please answer this so that we all know whether or not to trust anything else you say in the future.

I'm not saying that, no.

I'm saying that the very thing that makes Farah a 3:28 1500 guy...means he won't be a 2:04 marathoner.

Sort of a tragic flaw.

agip wrote:

I'm not saying that, no.

I'm saying that the very thing that makes Farah a 3:28 1500 guy...means he won't be a 2:04 marathoner.

Sort of a tragic flaw.

So what did you mean by "then we have nothing to talk about" after I said that slow running develops slow twitch fibers etc..?

edi wrote:

agip wrote:

I'm not saying that, no.

I'm saying that the very thing that makes Farah a 3:28 1500 guy...means he won't be a 2:04 marathoner.

Sort of a tragic flaw.

So what did you mean by "then we have nothing to talk about" after I said that slow running develops slow twitch fibers etc..?

because you seemed to be saying that Bolt and Farah were born with the same muscles (basically) and since Bolt trained for the sprints and Farah trained for mid-d, that's how they became sprinter and mid-d guy.

I think that is wrong - I think it is clear that world record setting sprinters are born with some freakish mutated muscles that let them run for < 1 minute absurdly fast.

and world record setting mid guys are born with freakish mutated mucles that let them run for, let's say, 3-13 minutes absurdly fast.

Bolt can't be a world class 1500 guy no matter what he does. Farah can't be a world class sprinter no matter what he does.

You disagree with this basic set of opinions, so what can we talk about exactly?

agip wrote:

because you seemed to be saying that Bolt and Farah were born with the same muscles (basically) and since Bolt trained for the sprints and Farah trained for mid-d, that's how they became sprinter and mid-d guy.

I think that is wrong - I think it is clear that world record setting sprinters are born with some freakish mutated muscles that let them run for < 1 minute absurdly fast.

and world record setting mid guys are born with freakish mutated mucles that let them run for, let's say, 3-13 minutes absurdly fast.

Bolt can't be a world class 1500 guy no matter what he does. Farah can't be a world class sprinter no matter what he does.

You disagree with this basic set of opinions, so what can we talk about exactly?

So do you only talk to people who share the same opinion as you?

You're completely wrong though. There is no evidence that it's "clear" that either of them were born with a particular kind of musculature. You have entirely made that up.

You "think" that is wrong but it doesn't matter. Research and sensible thinking have shown the exact opposite is true. Your training determines the type of muscle you have. That is a fact and you can't deny that.

This shouldn't even require any difficult thinking. Why else would people increase their mileage so much when they decide to move up to the marathon vs when they were running shorter events? Why do sprinters practice sprinting instead of doing a bunch of light distance running?

we're just too far apart on this - ciao.

In the last two years there have been fifteen different male Marathoners, ranked ,By T & F News, as the top ten in that respective year. Only five of those fifteen are running London.

In the last two years there have been fifteen different male Marathoners, ranked ,By T & F News, as the top ten in that respective year. Only five of those fifteen are running London.

In the last two years there have been fifteen different male Marathoners, ranked ,By T & F News, as the top ten in that respective year. Only five of those fifteen are running London.