Sports Illustrated Reports: Harvard and Georgetown willing to work with Salazar

austintxrunner wrote:

She can go pro and pay 40k/year for tuition and be mostly on her own when she's only 18, or she can go to college on a full ride to any university she wants, get a great education, get a great supporting group of friends and coaching staff, and go pro later when she's more matured. It'd be weird considering how talented she is, but it would be good for her overall development.

Why would she be alone? People that don't run track don't have any friends? hahaha

rojo pt 2 - well, I was not counting room and board, so I was overstating things. Add another $4,000 for food and rent - $11,000 per year is still a lot less than $22,500 and can still be paid for by a part time job.

is Salazar planning to leave his elite training group in Oregon? He don't understand how he can be both coaching them and an east coast school.

Avocado's Number wrote:

run with the wom wrote:

So says someone who didn't get into an Ivy and lives in his Mom's basement.

[quote]ggilder wrote:

Harvard is no longer an exceptional school; it is just rich and complacent.

Run with the wom: I suggest that you google the name "George Gilder."

Oh yes, I'm sure it is George Gilder on LR. And if it is, then he is out of touch with what is happening today. I still think it is a basement dwelling poser.

I hear the university of phoenix is flexible, too.

run with the wom wrote:

Oh yes, I'm sure it is George Gilder on LR. And if it is, then he is out of touch with what is happening today. I still think it is a basement dwelling poser.

I wonder if George is laughing about this exchange right now. He doesn't post much here, and doesn't get into these endless back-and-forth debates, so I wouldn't be surprised if his next post on LR is four or five months from now.

George Gilder is a long-time devoted runner, as you can find out for yourself if you care to. Here's one writer's description of him:

Gilder looks like a character from a nineteenth-century novel about an English village: the boyish church organist, perhaps, or the local priest on a bicycle. He is tall, pale, and spindly. He has blue eyes, thin lips, and a pointy chin. He wears metal-rimmed glasses. All his running has made him so wiry and springy that his limbs appear to be made of some resilient, lightweight wood or metal instead of flesh.

[quote]Ex-Ivy wrote:

You got it all wrong. The school doesn't make these people. They are already made before they get there.

+1

Yes, if you track Ivy grads, on average they do quite well compared to other college grads. But, take these same people and send them to State U. They will still end up doing well.

My view -- An Ivy degree does matter, but a lot less than is perceived for this exact reason.

Er... wrote:

I'm guessing divide that figure by four or five and you might be closer to the amound of money she might be offered.

Yeah, but you have no idea what you're talking about and I do.

Fortune (luck) figures prominently both in the education which is possible at different schools, and the career possibilities graduating from certain schools affords. Attending Harvard, Stanford, Pomona College, Grinnell College, MIT, etc., very likely give someone a better chance at a better education than, say, University of New Mexico, North Dakota State, Columbia College (Chicago), etc. But some of the smartest people I know in academe and law went, as undergraduates, to places that were not the highest ranked. Of course, if one goes to grad school, that school is much more likely to matter in the character of the education one receives than undergraduate school. Indeed, finding the right department in which to major--a professor who takes a great interest in students, a professor who although not well known is brilliant and a great teacher, fellow students one connects with and has great conversations, an environment that allows a student to explore himself/herself, etc. No one on this board knows Mary Cain, and no one knows what would fit her--small school or large, liberal arts or more professional, east coast, midwest, or west coast (we can leave the south out of this!), etc. However, my guess is that what will interest her is being closer to Salazar rather than further away; indeed, I'd be surprised if she doesn't attend school on the west coast. If I'm right about this, I think Oregon and Stanford are the two possibilities. Oregon for obvious reasons, and academically, it has an excellent and interesting interdisciplinary Honors College, where Mary would find herself among other really smart kids. Stanford, again because she would be among really smart kids, where there are excellent training facilities, where there continues to be an influx of women middle and long distance recruits.

agip wrote:

rojo - I'd still say that $22,500 per year is a lot of money for upper middle class families - esp if you have 2+ kids who each want to go college.

I agree that it's a lot of money. But I've paid more than that to send a toddler to Bright Horizons for day care. It eats up a big chunk of my income, but it's worth it. I feel the same way about a good university.

Montesquieu wrote:

Third, Georgetown does not have a track.

Ever seen the Exorcist?

Organized education is about the three Ss.

Socialization

Sitting

Signaling

Opening doors is part of the socializing.

However, my guess is that what will interest her is being closer to Salazar rather than further away; indeed, I'd be surprised if she doesn't attend school on the west coast. If I'm right about this,

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Did not read further. Sure you can accept being surprised. Surprises can be fun. Cain will relocate within 200 miles of Bronxville, as the crow flies -- more likely within 20 miles. This range does not quite reach the west coast, except the west coast of Morningside Heights.

Jerkimer Jackson wrote:

I think she will eventually settle on Oregon. Why? Because it is only an undergrad degree that she will be working on while she's competing. She can get a higher degree later, from an Ivy League school if she wishes. It she went to Oregon, she could do what she loves (running) for the best in the country and she could be making connections to turn pro after about three years (a lot of the Oregon people are starting to do this). The final reason is that she could make a lot of money as a 21 year old pro, money she might not ever make in her chosen profession, meanwhile she could experience three years of the fun and growing of college life without the undo stress of an Ivy League type school.

Oregon...no way!

White upper middle class suburban liberal with highly educated parents from the North East...Ivy, G'T or Nova or an outside chance of Stanford. Also, Cain probably will only run 2 XC seasons in college for several reasons, one, XC is the only season she would get competition and her freshman year in college will be the lead up to the 2016 Olympics.

Athletics is fickle, for every Kim Gallagher, Mary Decker or Zola Budd, there are 10 Georgia Clarks. Statistically, Cain's odds for success would be better if she were 21 as opposed to 17. A great t&f career is far from guaranteed; however, in Cain's case, she is so good that even if she doesn't get much better, she will still be a world class athlete for many years to come. Camp Cain is in no rush for her to turn pro, she does not need the money...there are no poor people in Bronxville. Believe me when I tell you that her parents aren't going to budge on education; I use to live in the NE in a somewhat similar area and I know the thought process.

the big and little If wrote:

However, my guess is that what will interest her is being closer to Salazar rather than further away; indeed, I'd be surprised if she doesn't attend school on the west coast. If I'm right about this,

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Did not read further. Sure you can accept being surprised. Surprises can be fun. Cain will relocate within 200 miles of Bronxville, as the crow flies -- more likely within 20 miles. This range does not quite reach the west coast, except the west coast of Morningside Heights.

I hope you are right - it would be fun seeing mc in central park or vcp every now and then.

But I think stanford is more likely - a great education and it would be free if she wants to wear the uniform.

Really - columbia? Not the obvious choice for a mid d runner. If she wants NYC metro area...Princeton would make much more sense from a running and academic perspective.

Montesquieu wrote:

Third, Georgetown does not have a track.

Don B. wrote:

First, Georgetown does not have social frats; second, they are consistently one of the top 25 universities.

Do they seriously not have a track? How do they train?

My prediction is Georgetown. They have one of the best women's teams in the country, great academics, and a fun environment. Also, it's on the east coast, so she would be close to her family.

The only reason an Ivy League education could possibly be the "worst decision of your life" is if you are now saddled with massive loans because of it.

Nowadays, most/all Ivies offer no-loan financial aid. For most people admitted, they are offered/can negotiate a package that enables them to afford undergrad at the best colleges in the world. Yes, there are some unfortunate edge/corner cases where people get screwed, but oftentimes the FA office will make exceptions to their formula if you petition.

So yeah, sucks to be old. New Ivy-Leaguers have probably the best college experience of all time.

Treniere Moser was a Hoya - probably a point in the Gtown column as far as Cain is concerned.