Doping widespread in Kenya? Fresh allegations by German journalist

makau wrote:

Makau who is mentioned in the article was based in the UK for a number of seasons about 7-8 year ago, during that time he never showed anywhere near the kind of performances he has gone on to produce. He was a 14 flat 29 -29.30 5k-10k guy and often had his work cut out to beat domestic opposition... suddenly he's back and he's running that pace for 26 miles... come on.

Good point. Also, has anyone question why the top Kenyans are not picked for the Olympic team? I really don't get this...

something else wrote:

I've read through Renato's posts for, I guess now, years. When he began to talk about each of his athletes' blood and how he has tested their blood,I was suspicious. He's taking blood? At regular intervals? Come on...

...and? If I was doing this professionally I would make sure my blood was tested at regular intervals. If I was a DI college coach, I would have my athlete's tested at least once every school year. As a high school coach I encourage blood tests as part of a physical for my kids that are training hard. There's a lot of data available there, and if some one is committing the kind of time/effort necessary to race professionally it's a no-brainer to monitor their blood. Go ahead and be suspicious, but base it on something reasonable.

same old story wrote:

Wake up and smell the coffee for f... sake , you cannot keep saying we are kenyan so we are clean , some of you have been caught , some have been hiden its well known that there are a number of ''dactari'' in and around Nairobi who can get EPO for $10 a shot , id WADA go in they have to report to AK and then all coaches ''names'' are tipped off ...you can arrive in Nairobi and be called within minutes if your face is known ....i think the German guy is spot on but should have waited untill he had concrete evidence ...but that said seems IAAF/WADA etdc dont five a f... especially in Olypmic year as it might threaten their fat paychecks .....

I love how people just make things up and write it on here as if it's a fact! It's "well known" where you can get EPO in Nairobi for 10dollars. Well I live here and I am involved with the sport on some level I have no idea where you would get it and neither do any of my friends runners and non runners alike.

I'm not saying that no Kenyan's dope - I am just questioning why people like you feel the need to invent 'facts' like you have done above!

did you try to get it and don't where to get it or have you simply not tried? Asking a doctor would be a good place to start.

same old story wrote:its well known that there are a number of ''dactari'' in and around Nairobi who can get EPO for $10 a shot

let's talk $$$

proper pharmaceutical quality epo

◦For anemia from cancer chemotherapy:

¡Adults Dose is based on body weight and must be determined by your doctor. The usual dose is 2.25 micrograms (mcg) per kilogram (kg) (1 mcg per pound) of body weight once a week

this woud likely be minimal dose a doper woud take

2.25mcg/kg every 1/52

say guy is about 60kg -> 135mcg/week

looking at prices :

100 mcg Vial 1 $2134.82

25 mcg Vial 2 $1031.02

to get 135mcg, you'd need a 100mcg vial + 2 of the 25mcg

so we are talking

$ 3165.84

what kinda shit do you think they are getting for 10 bucks ???

The full half-hour documentary is to be broadcast tonight, on "WDR Sport Inside".

http://www.wdr.de/tv/sport_inside/sendungsbeitraege/2012/0521/kenia.jsp

& i'd add, you woud probably want to take it every 1/52 for 4 weeks for a decent cycle

so,

$ 12,000+

for decent course

( i'm sure of course you'd get a discount for hard simolians on the table )

makau wrote:

Makau who is mentioned in the article was based in the UK for a number of seasons about 7-8 year ago, during that time he never showed anywhere near the kind of performances he has gone on to produce. He was a 14 flat 29 -29.30 5k-10k guy and often had his work cut out to beat domestic opposition... suddenly he's back and he's running that pace for 26 miles... come on.

Oh, I don’t know - back in 1974, we had a chap, Ian Thompson, who had been just a reasonable standard club runner for some time, never broke 28.50 for 10k in the UK - suddenly up and ran a world’s best marathon time of 2.9.12 in the Commonwealth Games of that year.

Never the slightest suggestion he was ever anything other than clean.

(Clayton ran 2.8.33 in 1969, but on a disputed short course.)

Here is more than a season worth of supply for 450$ in the US. Thats roghly 10$ a shot.In the third world you can get it even cheaper due to low risk for customs seizure.http://anemiapatientgroup.blogspot.com/2009/05/blog-post.htmlLots of chinese companies manufacture the stuff for very low prices now as the 20 year old patent has ended.http://www.tradekey.com/index.html?action=product_search&search_in=1&criteria=2&keyword=erythropoietin&start_date=0&business=&track=&kw_cats=&search_category=&country=&ar_country=&categories=&search_in=&member=&country=

ventolin^3 wrote:

same old story wrote:its well known that there are a number of ''dactari'' in and around Nairobi who can get EPO for $10 a shot

let's talk $$$

proper pharmaceutical quality epo

http://bestmedvalues.com/buy-ARANESP-online

◦For anemia from cancer chemotherapy:

¡Adults Dose is based on body weight and must be determined by your doctor. The usual dose is 2.25 micrograms (mcg) per kilogram (kg) (1 mcg per pound) of body weight once a week

this woud likely be minimal dose a doper woud take

2.25mcg/kg every 1/52

say guy is about 60kg -> 135mcg/week

looking at prices :

100 mcg Vial 1 $2134.82

25 mcg Vial 2 $1031.02

to get 135mcg, you'd need a 100mcg vial + 2 of the 25mcg

so we are talking

$ 3165.84

what kinda shit do you think they are getting for 10 bucks ???

www dot gobizdiscount88 dot com or www dot goworldsale dot com

2:09.21 is far from 28:50 pace for a full 42195m

we are not so naive__ wrote:

Lots of chinese companies manufacture the stuff for very low prices now as the 20 year old patent has ended.

Yeah, that's very relevant since Chinese companies are well known for respecting intellectual property rights.

cotton tees suck wrote:

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yes, the ability to run a marathon at paces similar to 10k is not that astonishing to me.

i have friends and teammates who run mediocre 5ks and impressive marathons. during those marathon phases they probably could have brought down their 5 and 10k times significantly, but they weren't racing them.

some people are better at longer distance.

doesn't mean some people aren't doping, it just doesn't mean that everyone has to be.

but that science of sport line mirrors something i said recently. take lance: assuming he's on drugs (i don't see how he can't be), it's still impressive, because he's beating all those other guys who are also on drugs. it's just a shame that they're all on drugs. i for one couldn't do it. i like to think it's morals, but i'm also not good enough for it to be worth it...and i hate needles!

Even among dopers, there are variations in the quality of drugs, doctors, and dopign regimens. To see some talented athlete master those aspects is not impressive at all.

And it is easy to find a doctor in the street who is willing to claim all the Kenyan success for a quick pay. Kenyans treat westerners different because they think they have have a lot of money, as a westerner you will pretty much get any info you want and people will say and just do anything for you. I have a lot more trust on Kenyan runners and Kenya people, I am worried more about people from outside who may have ulterior motives.The reporter might have been served better if he alleged that there are a few Kenyans who maybe doping but alleging that there is widespread doping in Kenya does not understand Kenya and its people.

Runthedistance wrote:

And it is easy to find a doctor in the street who is willing to claim all the Kenyan success for a quick pay. Kenyans treat westerners different because they think they have have a lot of money, as a westerner you will pretty much get any info you want and people will say and just do anything for you. I have a lot more trust on Kenyan runners and Kenya people, I am worried more about people from outside who may have ulterior motives.The reporter might have been served better if he alleged that there are a few Kenyans who maybe doping but alleging that there is widespread doping in Kenya does not understand Kenya and its people.

So what you're saying is:

Kenyan people are good people.

Wsstern people are bad people.

Have I got this right?

The evil white people don't understand the happy, smiley, genetically unprogrammed to cheat Kenyans?

Yes but Lance is/was on some much better drugs than the other guys most likely because of his status and wealth. The richer you are the better the drugs you can purchase as well as masking agents.

yarbles wrote:

but that science of sport line mirrors something i said recently. take lance: assuming he's on drugs (i don't see how he can't be), it's still impressive, because he's beating all those other guys who are also on drugs. it's just a shame that they're all on drugs. i for one couldn't do it. i like to think it's morals, but i'm also not good enough for it to be worth it...and i hate needles!

I need to see the entire report and more evidence to fully believe the allegations of doping. In my opinion, I see the Kenyan distance situation similar to the US sprinting situation. The US sprinting competition is so fierce that a hundredth of a second can be the difference of making the Olympic team with huge endorsements and not. Kenyan distance is very similar. Look at what Kenyans did not make their Olympic marathon team. It is very likely some of the Kenyan distance runners are doping. But like US sprinting, they need to find proof first.