MERBER 3:35

I just hope he can match this during the NCAA rounds.

Good gravy - even he's done the platelet-rich plasma/blood in a centrifuge procedure, too? Where does the line begin for blood doping?

Ghrelin wrote:

He had a serious foot injury that kept him out for a while.

http://runningtimes.com/Print.aspx?articleID=25860

With all due respect to NCAAs - I hope Merber focuses on the trials and peaks for that race instead. He has it in him to get the A standard and he is now a wildcard to get the #3 spot.

A shaggy haired kid from new york in the olympics. lol.

Based on previous positions held by the letsun.com experts

this guy MUST be doping

Oh I forget

1. He's American

2. He's Caucasian

3. He was talented in HS

I don't know if you're joking, but PRP isn't blood doping and will have no effect on your fitness. Doping requires you to store your blood for weeks/months while the body replenishes the lost blood.

The US has 6 men with the 1500m A standard right now and Merber and Torrence are both within a couple tenths.

I can see the US having 10 men with the A standard in the 1500 going into the Trials.

I don't think Merber will get the standard because I don't see him running in a fast enough race between now and the US Trials.

Unless the NCAA final goes crazy.

Good lord. He really walked those fools down didn't he?!

He was in 8th at the bell (9th if you count Willis). He was in 6th with 150 to go. 2nd-5th bunch at the top of the straight and he just BLEW by them. The way he passed the leader with ~50 to go was nasty. That kid was flying.

* wrote:

The US has 6 men with the 1500m A standard right now and Merber and Torrence are both within a couple tenths.

I can see the US having 10 men with the A standard in the 1500 going into the Trials.

I don't think Merber will get the standard because I don't see him running in a fast enough race between now and the US Trials.

Unless the NCAA final goes crazy.

If he is top 3 at trials, he can get the A standard after the trials as well.

It must be annoying missing the standard by such a small margin.

So his 3:58.52 mile converts to 3:41.0x according to the iaaf scoring tables, making it a 5.5 second PR, not the 7 letsrun is claiming. Still an amazing race.

It makes mathematical sense. You forgot the most important variable. Merber has the most swag in the NCAA!!

kanny wrote:

Good gravy - even he's done the platelet-rich plasma/blood in a centrifuge procedure, too? Where does the line begin for blood doping?

Ghrelin wrote:

He had a serious foot injury that kept him out for a while.

http://runningtimes.com/Print.aspx?articleID=25860

About 1000 miles away. his treatment is for injury purposes and the blood does not go into the blood stream in the sense of having any effect at all on the blood volume or the red cells. The only thing connecting them is that they both involve blood. Are you doping because your heart is delivering blood to your muscles -- we better check you out.

I started out with the premise that I was 100% joking, but then you go ahead and get me thinking about it more. I was just surprised that he used the procedure - I know there was the whole deal about Teg doing it a few years ago.For PRP, since the point of flipping the RBC/Platelet ratio from approx 94-5 to 5-94 would be to quickly increase all sorts of growth factors to speed up the localized healing process (of tendons at this point), then how is it that much different from the old excuse for the standard peds like HGH, and (sometimes) Steroids or EPO in that it doesn't directly improve running performance or fitness - it just speeds up recovery time? Yes, I understand it's an endogenous source, but so is blood doping. How would the spirit of using PRP be different from a sprinter using EPO? There is mounting evidence that it stimulates myogenesis (Halpern et al, 2012) - but clearly not enough for the IOC/WADA to reverse the ban reversal. I'm just curious to see what happens if we do get more evidence...Another thing - "Merber went through two rounds of treatment and had to keep his foot in a medical boot for six weeks after each, but by April of 2011, it had worked." WADA banned the use of PRP administered via intramuscular route in 2010 (and got reversed starting 1/1/11). Thinking about the timeline, was the first procedure done just on his flexor tendon or other stuff? (Okay - this paragraph is trolling, but just had to throw it out).Maybe this thread's celebration of a spectacular breakthrough for this kid (whom I'm a huge fan of now - like Cam "MF" Levins) isn't a good place and time to think about this, but here we are - just casually thinking about that "line."

Ghrelin wrote:

I don't know if you're joking, but PRP isn't blood doping and will have no effect on your fitness. Doping requires you to store your blood for weeks/months while the body replenishes the lost blood.

Icing speeds recovery too, better ban it. And cortisone injections too.

doperdan wrote:

Miss Information wrote:

Nick Willis bombed out, couldn't handle the A-standard pace by the pacemaker

Dick head, he was the pacemaker. He pulled out on schedule.

Judging by Miss Information's handle, I am guessing he was a troll. It was too easy of a setup. Also because he somewhat awkwardly added in "the pace by the pacemaker," I think this demonstrates that he was trying to emphasize the word pacemaker, so the irony would be greater.

but really, the handle "miss information" should have given this away

Just saying "kanye shrug" wrote:

Based on previous positions held by the letsun.com experts

this guy MUST be doping

Oh I forget

1. He's American

2. He's Caucasian

3. He was talented in HS

interesting observation

Sigh... gosh this board is so predictable.All glucocorticosteroids are prohibited in-competition. As for icing, that's debatable depending on your definition of recovery.

yasdfsafsd wrote:

Icing speeds recovery too, better ban it. And cortisone injections too.

Linsanity wrote:

If he is top 3 at trials, he can get the A standard after the trials as well.

Not true, there is NO chasing of times after the Olympic Trials. If you dont' have it, you need to get it IN the race itself.