Mt SAC Entries: Webb and Ritz NOT Running Updated

Ritz ran 14:25/13:56, which is probably more in line with an even-paced 28-flat, and this is relatively soon after training for a completely different event that had no emphasis on speed. What I remember during the race is that it started out at 29-low pace and then got only a little faster until Ritz went to the front at 4600m and then shared the lead a bit about a mile from the end for 2-3 laps.

Much better wrote:

Wait, so Ritz can be 40 seconds off his pr and be fine for the trials, but Webb can't be 10 seconds off in the 1500?

Yes, you are right, I just asked my fourth grader the exact calculation and she came up with 3.333 times longer.

I don't think Ritz "dodges races" he just gets hurt a hell of a lot. I hope they are just being overly cautious or are really planning on making Stanford a big effort. He doesn't have the olympic A standards in the 5 or 10 and the clock is ticking....of course we know Alberto can get him into the trials without the standards needed by every every other non Nike athlete.

sadfsadf wrote:

Oh, 80F and the sun is going down, what a travesty....guess the summer is not Rupp-certified. They'd better go piddle around doing 200s inside at the Nike office building in Portland.

They'll find much more favorable conditions a week later at Stanford.

Also, some of the forecasts for Mt Sac have been raised to 95F. You will likely see wholesale bailing if it actually gets that hot, including sprinters. We had this 2 or 3 years ago, and Kersee's people essentially ran 4X4 by themselves: Everyone else bailed. Probably OK at that heat up to 800, but I don't know that I'd want people doing even 1500 in those temperatures.

Wonder if Webb might be considering Drake instead.

Art wrote:

Much better wrote:

Wait, so Ritz can be 40 seconds off his pr and be fine for the trials, but Webb can't be 10 seconds off in the 1500?

I did some calculations and it appears that the 5000 is more than three times as long as the 1500. Can someone double check my math?

What is your point? You obviously don't understand his post at all.

Coach D wrote:

The weather forecast is not conducive to distance running. It is going to be extremely hot on Friday and Saturday. Even for the distance classic, it is going to be about 80F at 8PM. If I was Salazar, for sure I would pull from Mt. Sac in favor of Stanford.

Pomona, Mt SAC might be a degree or two cooler; it tended to be when I lived four miles from Mt. SAC

Friday

8pm 77, dew point 52 (rel Hum = 43%

9pm 73, dew point 54, RH= 50%

10pm 71

Saturday

8pm 75, dew point 55 (rel Hum = 49%

9pm 72, dew point 55, RH= 56%

10pm 69

Herre's my question and I think only someone like Malmo, who was there, can answer it:

It seems that our top runners pull out of races for whatever reason a lot. Back in the day- 70's, 80's, my recollection, as a young kid, was that the top runners (Malmo, etc) raced more often.

Is that true?

Now, I understand that there was no internet to let us know who entered and pulled out. We only really saw results and usually weeks later in T&F News and RW, although my local paper had coverage of major meets and some were on TV.

And look what racing more often produced.

runn wrote:

Herre's my question and I think only someone like Malmo, who was there, can answer it:

It seems that our top runners pull out of races for whatever reason a lot. Back in the day- 70's, 80's, my recollection, as a young kid, was that the top runners (Malmo, etc) raced more often.

They raced more often for FINANCIAL reasons -- i.e. they got paid (above or below the table). Back in the day they did not get guaranteed stipends/contracts like they do today. Runners could not afford to just pick and choose races purely for athletic reasons.

Les wrote:

runn wrote:

Herre's my question and I think only someone like Malmo, who was there, can answer it:

It seems that our top runners pull out of races for whatever reason a lot. Back in the day- 70's, 80's, my recollection, as a young kid, was that the top runners (Malmo, etc) raced more often.

They raced more often for FINANCIAL reasons -- i.e. they got paid (above or below the table). Back in the day they did not get guaranteed stipends/contracts like they do today. Runners could not afford to just pick and choose races purely for athletic reasons.

1. fun like a social gathering of people with at least 1 thing in common liking running.

2. if you were good enough you got to travel, i believe tom flemming said he thought it was great to get a plane ticket and a hotel room just to do something you loved, the way he said it made it sound like he did not get money., but the travel made him happy.

3. it seemed like everyone ran every race they could, wether they ran 28 or 58 minutes for a 10k you pretty much saw the same people at every race.

4. example while living in miami florida, many people would run the annual 7 (approx it may have been 7.2 or 7.6 or something) mile fort lauderdale heart run in the morning and then run the miami river regatta half marathon that night, so 20 miles for the day, then run the miami river regatta 5 mile (not sure it may have actually been 5.5 miles whatever) the next morning so 3 races in 2 days and you see lots of the same people at all of them. not just the top runners were known everyone pretty much knew most of the people if they ran 50 minutes for a 10k you knew them because you see them at every race, every 1 had fun.

The Clarifier wrote:

US Olympic Trials:

Qualifying Window: May 1, 2011 - June 17, 2012

1500m standards: A=3:39.00 B=3:43.00; or Mile=3:54.00 (window for Mile: January 1, 2012 - June 17, 2012)

http://www.usatf.org/events/2012/OlympicTrials-TF/entry/qualifyingStandards.asp

Olympic Games:

Qualifying Window: May 1, 2011 - July 1, 2012

1500m standards: A=3:35.50 B=3:38.00

http://www.iaaf.org/mm/Document/Statistics/Standards/05/90/83/20110119112034_httppostedfile_QualificationSystem-Athletics-IAAF-21112010_23249.pdf

As of today, Webb has not achieved any OT or OG qualifying standard.

Thanks. That's what I thought; the qualifying windows usually start about the same time, and I knew his 3:37 in Australia was outside the Trials window.

There was appearance money and prize money , better athletes got shoe contracts ( stipend and bonus ) , also photo bonus's ( magazine pics etc. )

Some of the races just were great events pre and post fun , great courses and great competition. It was a way of life , more low key than todays "going pro" attitude.

First of all, back in the day Coe and Ovett ducked each other for a year until the Moscow Olympics, and in the US guys avoided each other as well....some meets had both a 1500 and a mile so you could race against whomever you chose (if you could get in at all)

Also back in the day, all of the money was under the table. Meet promoters and shoe companies paid athletes in various ways, sometimes through trips that could either be taken or converted into cash, other times with just cash on the barrelhead.....rabbits also got paid for the hot races and got bonuses if they hit their splits and records were set.

Those old school guys who raced a lot ran significantly slower than elites today. If Rupp could win 10K races in 28:XX, he could race every week. He has to run a lot faster than that, so racing puts a lot of stress on his body.

From Ritz's Twitter account this afternoon:78 and sunny! Just made myself a homemade frappuccino with vanilla @Gatorade 03 recovery powder! Pretty good pick up before my second run.Maybe your sources are not so accurate.

Journalist wrote:

From my sources:

Alan wasn't feeling totally recovered from the double so they are playing it safe and staying home to train.

Ritz pushed training, see tweet about long workout, and is suffering a minor (as of now) injury.

So is Ritz running Payton Jordan or not?