Martin Fagan positive for EPO.

l;jl;sjsl;ad wrote:

drug test any money claimers at the biggies, like NYC Marathon, and Boston.

They already test anybody winning anything significant, plus some random ones. And once you run well, you're in the testing pool for a minimum of two years.

Fixed that for you.....

Left Said Fred wrote:

They already test anybody winning anything significant, plus some random ones. And once you run well, you're in the testing pool for a minimum of ONE years.

Left Said Fred wrote:

otto wrote:

It's IMHO more "a case of" brainlessness because "everyone else does it and I'm not the going to be the dumb honest one".

I'm going out on a limb to say that 50% of the cheats would not dope if they knew for sure that everyone else is clean.

Part of it is that people get sold into the idea that a lot of others do it (which is bullshit). Part of it is people rationalizing that they need it to make up a deficit of talent. Coaches often play a big role, but not in this case.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but it's not bullshit.

Left Said Fred wrote:

l;jl;sjsl;ad wrote:

drug test any money claimers at the biggies, like NYC Marathon, and Boston.

They already test anybody winning anything significant, plus some random ones. And once you run well, you're in the testing pool for a minimum of two years.

Marion Jones, Lance Armstrong, and a few other thousands NEVER tested positive for anything. Not even Advil. I love these arguments. I am so naive, please, I want to believe that is all about hard work and determination.

maybe the tour de france method is better.........if your hematocrit is over 40 you ain't competing....this way they don't look for a drug but rather they know you're a POS because over 40 crits are all the evidence you need.

l;jl;sjsl;ad wrote:

maybe the tour de france method is better.........if your hematocrit is over 40 you ain't competing....this way they don't look for a drug but rather they know you're a POS because over 40 crits are all the evidence you need.

isn't bekele's hematocrit like 42 or 45 or something like that

someone had to do it wrote:

l;jl;sjsl;ad wrote:

maybe the tour de france method is better.........if your hematocrit is over 40 you ain't competing....this way they don't look for a drug but rather they know you're a POS because over 40 crits are all the evidence you need.

isn't bekele's hematocrit like 42 or 45 or something like that

My hematocrit is 49 and I jog 25 miles a week. I'm in my sixties.

l;jl;sjsl;ad wrote:

maybe the tour de france method is better.........if your hematocrit is over 40 you ain't competing....this way they don't look for a drug but rather they know you're a POS because over 40 crits are all the evidence you need.

Did you mean 50? I believe 50 is the limit. Last time that I checked mine it was 44, five years ago.

hematocrit numbers wrote:

someone had to do it wrote:

isn't bekele's hematocrit like 42 or 45 or something like that

My hematocrit is 49 and I jog 25 miles a week. I'm in my sixties.

I did not know that Viagra would increae your hematocrit level. I guess that is why cyclists use it.

Yes I know it wrote:

Marion Jones, Lance Armstrong, and a few other thousands NEVER tested positive for anything. Not even Advil. I love these arguments. I am so naive, please, I want to believe that is all about hard work and determination.

Wow, it's gotten so silly that testing negative is proof of doping!

Tufted titmouse wrote:

Yes I know it wrote:

Marion Jones, Lance Armstrong, and a few other thousands NEVER tested positive for anything. Not even Advil. I love these arguments. I am so naive, please, I want to believe that is all about hard work and determination.

Wow, it's gotten so silly that testing negative is proof of doping!

At this era of mistrust and deception, 50/50 is the rule.

Yes I know it wrote:

Left Said Fred wrote:

They already test anybody winning anything significant, plus some random ones. And once you run well, you're in the testing pool for a minimum of two years.

Marion Jones, Lance Armstrong, and a few other thousands NEVER tested positive for anything. Not even Advil. I love these arguments. I am so naive, please, I want to believe that is all about hard work and determination.

And your point is? I could write you a list of people that are doping and haven't yet tested positive. But they're still a minority.

Gutted wrote:

This is certainly disheartening news. It makes me wonder about the steps that took him to epo.

Ugh.

he started training with top Americans, duh.

EPO works so well. I love it

can't people other runners for this...the decision was all his.

**NEWSFLASH**

Europeans who don't quite cut it, move to the US to "train". Like their are no Europeans in the know. And like we haave no mountains.

In fact, since Spain got a bad rep, USA now is the dope nation of choice.

Up till 5 years ago, there was barely a US dope case. Above suspicion. See what that proved to be worth. Super epic hardcore doping rinks, in for the BIG MONEY, exposed.

Out of Competition test on far-from-home Europeans were very rare up til recently it seems. Heannie Longo got away with here States side "altitude camps" for decades. She's now be exposed, and let off on technicality (acting stupid pays), basically because she's French. He hubby bought EPO though, and guess who from? Yes, American-Irish Joe Papp.

Until VERY frequent blood tests are caried out, especially out of competition, talent-short evil is going to rule endurance sports. Even force the truly top talented ones to dope to get their deserved medals. Let's not act as if donkey can't become race horses. History has proven it time and again.

I see runners going all obsesses with their sport, doing like the ones they were beaten by. Training camps on other continents, etc. Still they come up short. Yet continue to overstride and consider themselves hardcore, and deserving of "their" wins. Oh I am so special, I train so well. I don't even have a job, I am so hardcore. Yet going slower than the past generations who did contribute to society, shut up and got busy. Lack of talent, swallow it, and go get yourself a real job.

Machete wrote:

Gutted wrote:

This is certainly disheartening news. It makes me wonder about the steps that took him to epo.

Ugh.

he started training with top Americans, duh.

If Fagan has a story about others who provided or used EPO, be they American or any other nationality, I'm all ears. Who was his source, who introduced/encouraged the use, who also uses. Maybe he could sell his story to Track and Field News or Runners World. I'd buy the issue.

As far as you maligning all American distance runners, that's a display of either ignorance or malicious intent.

This doesn't surprise me. If you tried to train with Abdi, you'd need to be taking EPO too. The guy hammers every day. I've run with him a few times and it is tough.

I think Abdi is clean. It'll be interesting to see if he can throw down a solid 10000m at the Trials.

I never understood why people act like such a-holes when someone tests positive. You act like he murdered children. He made a mistake and having known Fagan for a long time this does not change my opinion of him as a person. He is and remains a great guy.

But please post up how he's a terrible person you pack of f**king tools.