EKU X-C roster is 65% foreign

Bump just because SOF ignored me the first time. Not nice to do to your arch-enemy.

All I proved is that you're a jackass for calling others racist without good reason. People talk about david mcneill, rhode island university, and others who are predominantly foreign, but white, and then say "why not complain about them?"

Well if you can tell me the last time ireland, or those other countries had 400+ people run sub 2:20 in the marathon in 1 year, or dozens run sub 13/sub 27, then I will be convinced that we are simply racist against kenyans because they are black and kenyan.

Until then, your remain an ignorant jackass.

1. Motivation - a scholarship is good motivation...is it the only motivation - NO. But if an American kid has zero scholarship, he will have to work, plus academics, plus athletics.

2. How many foreigners are on a books only scholarship?

3. A Lexington kid is American. Again, when was the last time an Irish university gave an American kid an athletic scholarship?

4. EKU X-C roster is 65% foreign....not 12%. Read my lips....65%!

Silly Old Fossil wrote:

3. A Lexington kid is American. Again, when was the last time an Irish university gave an American kid an athletic scholarship?

Wow - so you are for the U.S. discriminating against foreign athletes but against Ireland discriminating against foreign athletes.

Want to have your cake and eat it too.

You correctly named - you sir are a silly old fossil

If you didn't want to face international students who work harder than you, you should have played an American sport like baseball or football.

Guess it's too late now, sorry.

Silly Old Fossil wrote:

Trawling through the Eastern Kentucky University (EKU) X-C roster, I see the mens roster is 65% foreign (13/20).

The womens roster is 41.66% foreign (5/12).

Overall there is a 56.25% foreign presence (18/32).

How say u?

Not that unusual at all in the history of the sport. UTEP was 100% foreign in the late 70s/early 80s. Same for WSU.

Noting New Under the Sun wrote:

Silly Old Fossil wrote:

Trawling through the Eastern Kentucky University (EKU) X-C roster, I see the mens roster is 65% foreign (13/20).

The womens roster is 41.66% foreign (5/12).

Overall there is a 56.25% foreign presence (18/32).

How say u?

Not that unusual at all in the history of the sport. UTEP was 100% foreign in the late 70s/early 80s. Same for WSU.

I was referencing the ROSTER, not just the travel squad.

If you wanna go travel squad, then EKU is 100% foreign.

I respect this argument if we consider that developing a sport in a country must begin with local talent. The major concession you must make is that sympathy for AVERAGE U.S. runners is a null argument. I accept that developing local talent is important, however with the multitude of schools nationally, how many runners worth developing (substantial potential) will miss out on training with a decent squad.

The assertion that EKU is sbupar academically is another argument that is testament to the transparency of the identity of the outdated individuals contributing to this post. Maybe you should check the list of the OVC Commissioner's awards from the last few years and maybe dig a little deeper to their countries of origin. As plain facts are clearly not obvious to narrow-minded individuals such as yourselves, I would also add that I am foreign, heading my team (men's Cross Country) for GPA while volunteering as a tutor for AMERICAN students and serving as president of the Student Athlete Advisory Committee. Tomorrow, after my morning run, I am taking time out of my classes to travel to Manchester EKU campus to talk to AMERICAN kids about the importance of a college education. The reason I do all these is because the College system has given me a great opportunity for which I am most grateful.

Also, maybe you should enquire as to the amount of hours failed by football students per semester before you attack the academic integrity of foreign students. My guess is football doesn't stack up to Cross Country which has an average GPA over 3.0 as well as a letter of recommendation this year for academic progress. Oh, and i'm quite sure that the most successful student on the football team is the only foreigner; an Aussie Jordan Berry who is my good mate and in good enough form to punt for any NFL team at the moment.

To everyone who slanders foreign teams, go ahead. If your rhetoric is that coaches should recruit slower, less academically successful athletes who are not as willing to give back to their respective communities, I would be interested to see your proposal. Needless to say, your argument lacks weight and is underpinned by the inherent nationalist racism that defines a large majority of the United States population. Those U.S. realists that support foreign athletes, I thank you and appreciate your support, the exact way that i make sure to thank each and every supporter of our cross country team at every meet. Also, I shake the hand of every competitor that crosses that line, because they are exactly that, a competitor. NOT a foreigner. NOT and American. NOT black. NOT white. Just a fellow runner; A lifestyle (not a sport as is commonly assumed) that we all share.

Vive le Runner

P.S.

Have a look at the Conference winning teams for EKU in recent history. If you are too lazy to do that, I'll give you a quick summary...

Men's XC, Women's XC, Men's Tennis, Women's Tennis

Men's XC, Women's XC, Men's Tennis, Women's Tennis

Men's XC, Women's XC, Men's Tennis, Women's Tennis

Men's XC, Women's XC, Men's Tennis, Women's Tennis

It does not require a Paired t-test to see the corelation between international athletes and athletic and academic success.

Cheers mates

SOF's nemisis - Logic wrote:

Silly Old Fossil wrote:

3. A Lexington kid is American. Again, when was the last time an Irish university gave an American kid an athletic scholarship?

Wow - so you are for the U.S. discriminating against foreign athletes but against Ireland discriminating against foreign athletes.

Want to have your cake and eat it too.

You correctly named - you sir are a silly old fossil

Let me put this in the most simplistic terms possible.

There is a reciprocal program in high schools - the International Exchange Student (IES) program.

We send one of ours there; they send one of theirs here.

It's called a two-way street. I don't see that in college athletics.

AGAIN. Name one foreign athlete on a books-only scholarship?

How many Americans are currently on scholarship at the Australian Institute of Sport (AIS)....or the Victorian Institute of Sport (VIS) for that matter. How many????

Accept an American there (your expense) and we'll accept an Aussie at EKU.

I say who gives a sh*t, you xenophobic SOB

Oh wow you really made my argument redundant there champ. Oh wait, that's right, there are no scholarships for athletes in Australia. Or serious college sports in Australia. How do I know? BECASUE IM FROM AUSTRALIA. Go to the university games in Queensland and report back with the ratio of minutes of sports played to minutes of drinking by athletes. There are no College sports in Australia, there are no college athletes in Australia. Oh and by the way, we reward academic excellence in Australia which is why we only offer academic scholarships. Those athletes who are "no-hopers" (commonly referred to as general education majors) who waste their time getting a useless degree, or failing it, are not given scholarships where I come from just because they can throw a ball well.

Nice opinion Fossil, but maybe have the factual base to build it on next time, instead of some irrelevant vendetta.

Ah, a quick search tells me SillyOldFossil was the same guy who was pissed at a bunch of USA athletes for wearing USA singlets at the NYC Marathon because it wasn't up to his standards for an international race.

Carry on being an idiot, SOF.

Silly Old Fossil wrote:

Noting New Under the Sun wrote:

Not that unusual at all in the history of the sport. UTEP was 100% foreign in the late 70s/early 80s. Same for WSU.

I was referencing the ROSTER, not just the travel squad.

If you wanna go travel squad, then EKU is 100% foreign.

Truly amazing. You don't think UTEP's '79 mens roster awas 65% foreign? I can pretty well assure you it was.

Personally I believe foreign athletes do inspire american athletes to "step it up" so to speak ...always welcoming from a coaches perspective as well as the good of the team. I once ran on a predominantly foreign XC team and it did motivate me to work harder. But at the same time I was working 15 hours per/week to help pay for school. I was only receiving 50% at best while a few of the foreign runners (that I consistently beat) were on full rides. They had 4-5 years of full rides while I never was even close and had to work constantly (under the table). Could I have trained more? Could I have rested more? Was this fair? Not in my eyes. Do the best runners on the team deserve the money (an athletic scholarship)? Hell yes they do! But using all of your money to buy some quick wins because you don't know how to coach, or you are just too lazy is the issue here. The argument in my eyes? Quit bitching about the poor distance running in this country if you do not want to develop them. We have seen recently this country can produce some serious talent, but what else is out there? With the current system you will never know. There are a few coaches in the NCAA system that develop in house. Why, because they are not lazy and they have the know how.

So any US college coach who brings in foreign athletes is doing it because he's lazy and doesn't know how to coach. That's always the case? So how did Jumbo Elliot manage to develop guys like Marty Liquori and Tom Donnelly into world class runners?

He must have been lazy with no knowledge of how to coach because he brought in guys like Donal Walsh, Frank Murphy, and Ron Delany, to name a few. And how did Bowerman ever develop all the sub 4:00 milers he did if he knew so little about coaching and was so lazy that he brought in guys like Jim Bailey and the Kvalheims?

Exactly. American athletes don't have the SAME opportunity to develop their athletic talents at Australian universities the way that Australian athletes do at American universities.

AGAIN, plenty of foreign athletes are flowing into American universities; how many American athletes are flowing into foreign universities? Where is the inherent fairness in that?

Apparently I haven't been communicating well.

Let me rephrase. 35% of EKU's X-C roster is AMERICAN.....35%. And that's the roster, not the travel squad.

It's an American sport; it's an American university, yet way less than half the SQUAD is American.

Does this help clarify?