JAMAICA 37.04 WR Thoughts....

Nesta Carter ALWAYS dissapointed in the finals.

His problem is not physical, but mental.

Check out his finals: in JA trials (08', 11'), in World Indoor Championships finals (10'), now in Daegu.

His mental case is even worse than Asafa'S.

In relays he runs different...as Asafa Does.

And about Frater...any splits? he ran against Gatlin, Burns, Pickering, Kuc. Collio, etc. Sub-par sprinters RIGHT NOW. The only athlete better than him was Lemaitre...which in fact, ran better than him also in that second leg. Surely his leg was similar than Daegu or Beijing (9.1)

Even more. Kim Collins was probably faster in 2nd leg than Frater. Or very similar. Seems to be logical.

Jamming wrote:

Whaaaat? wrote:

Steroids can enhance, but they can't create someone like Bolt. He is clean. He is also a freak of nature. Whether people think he is doping or is irrelevant as he continues to set and break (his own) world records.

So the rhetorical point is, if you think Bolt is doping, then juice up your best, grow him from a freakin test-tube or whatever and put him on the track. He'll still get smoked like a cheap cigar. End of story!

distance runners just cant understand how freakish it is that a 6 4 guy like Bolt can get out the blocks and beat guys like Rogers and Carter to 20 meters.

20 meters in a 100 is highly over rated. The fastest at about 2.4, the slowest at about 2.55. The start is not the fastest part of the race.

Bolt is tall, but proportionally he's like any 6'1" guy.

But for you distance runners, all the start does is set up your aceleration phase. The reaction times for all these sprinters are within hundredths of a second. The most important thing to watch at about the 10 or 15 - if you freeze the frames - is where the hips and head are. Did they stand up too fast etc.

Bolt is very technically sound out of the blocks. Forget the tall skinny guys of the past. Bolt is a sculpted athlete, with the build of a blown up 6 foot guy. He comes out of the blocks and keeps everything aligned. His first step is incredible. Straight to the ground, no floating.

He's not a gangly guy like that 6'6" 174 pound PR 400 hurdler. He's a gift from the sprinting gods. Forget all these bowling ball types. Their day is done.

You all look at Bolt as a freak. When I look at the guy I see someone who really knows how to run a race, where his feet and chin has to be. He's a freak, and he's very well coached.

the harsh truth wrote:

The counterpoint to that is that some nations/programs are simply better than others at cheating. East Germany was a machine, and their athletes were clearly not on a level field even with others who were cheating. Likewise the Chinese women who quickly emerged and just as quickly faded. We could very well be witnessing the results of a similar such program in Jamaica.

...While in other news, it has been revealed that the Jamaicans have secretly been using stealth rocket technology to power their Bobsleds during the winter olympics.

Man, please!

Why does running a good race days after a bad race mean you use drugs?

Nice analysis, totally made my point btw, an athlete like Bolt has never before been seen.

Whaaaat? wrote:

the harsh truth wrote:

The counterpoint to that is that some nations/programs are simply better than others at cheating. East Germany was a machine, and their athletes were clearly not on a level field even with others who were cheating. Likewise the Chinese women who quickly emerged and just as quickly faded. We could very well be witnessing the results of a similar such program in Jamaica.

...While in other news, it has been revealed that the Jamaicans have secretly been using stealth rocket technology to power their Bobsleds during the winter olympics.

Man, please!

what about the WMD's and nuclear power stations hidden in the Blue mountain range.

Jamming wrote:

what about the WMD's and nuclear power stations hidden in the Blue mountain range.

Shhh! Lest you reveal that there is a slowpoke nuclear reactor at UWI. :)

This is ALL supposition! No one (unless you personally have access to these athletes) knows for sure whether any are dirty or not. There were East Germans who were NOT on a drug program (not many perhaps), so to assume that everyone was is like saying that since Gatlin was American, as he was juiced (or Canadians for that matter, after Ben Johnson), then ALL Americans must be as well. That is just crap and is an insult to the different perspectives people have on the sport.

Sprint Geezer, you used to contribute to the board, now you have become a joke - the boy crying wolf.

The US sprint development has become a decentralized joke, just as the Oregon Project has become the opposite. The Jamaican plan to keep athletes away from the USA (or Kenyans too, although that doesn't always work as the coaching there is rather inconsistent and the KAAA is a joke) and develop there with the prodigious talent available (and not drawn off to football, baseball, etc.) and better coaching is what it takes. There is NO reason for the US to lose to the Jamaicans, but look at the 4x100m relays in past years, is the incompetence due to others taking PED's? No, it is testament to the crap development programs (outside the NCAA, which is just about College kids) that exists and the poor recruitment of really talented runners to the next level (look at Demps!!). Don't blame other countries for the lack of Professional development (look at how harshly lambasted the USATF is on this forum) in the US. Sack up and create your own development programs and then these other countries won't be able to compete with the US. As the medals table says anyway, the US still doesn't have a problem getting medals, it just doesn't dominate EVERYTHING as some on here thinks that it should - the answer must be that everyone else must be doping. Yet you wonder why so many in the rest of the world dislike the American "attitude"? Geez, I wonder why!

I’ve said it before, what most on this thread can’t handle and Bolt’s greatest failing in their eyes is - that Bolt is not an American!

USATF powers that be have got to send a message to these sprinters, just like they sent to the marathoners back in 2000.

If you don't finish the finals at the WCs , we don't enter a team at the OG. They might actually get the meassage.

Observations: The women's team won without Williams they need to get rid of Patton the same way given his history. He has had his shots at redemption and botched them all. You can't tell me the US doesn't have a sprinter younger than 33 who could bring the stick around.

Dwrcl the drones are probably over Mona right now.

send a message wrote:

USATF powers that be have got to send a message to these sprinters, just like they sent to the marathoners back in 2000.

If you don't finish the finals at the WCs , we don't enter a team at the OG. They might actually get the meassage.

Observations: The women's team won without Williams they need to get rid of Patton the same way given his history. He has had his shots at redemption and botched them all. You can't tell me the US doesn't have a sprinter younger than 33 who could bring the stick around.

Patton may be bad luck but the stick work was really good, tough luck he ran into a brick wall.

Old Geezer is just mad that the Jamaicans are on the same drugs that the USA athlete's are on but instead of the US dominating and winning, they get their ass handed to them.

The USA won a total of 25 medals be satisfied and just shut the **** up.

Isn't greed the same reason why America is finding it hard to get out of this recession? I now understand how we got into this shit in the 1st place.

Haven't you American clowns realize that if the Games are dominated by 1 country all the damn time no one else outside of that country wants to watch it.

Nice try James.

The only guy I want to see win is the fastest guy who is not a dick. Doping or questionable conduct makes you a dick.

Carter is a dick.

Cramped at 10m? Where did you get that info? Why did he continue running? How could he come back to run such a great relay? Why did another poster offer a competing hypothesis, one of mental weakness? Where is the support?

As for the mental weakness hypothesis, that doesn't wash. He got a good start, and has had success all year at big circuit meets. He didn't flake out like Powell and get bronze, he flat out stopped running after 10m and finished in a geezer time.

Frater in a "stacked" semi into the wind? Frater has been one of the fastest guys around this year, judging by european circuit meets with reliable timing. Frater is small and is less affected by a headwind than the larger runners. His time was well below what he has been doing this year, with no explanation like fatigue or food poisoning or whatever. Then he comes back to run the longest leg on the relay, with WR-form.

Just watch that other scumbag Powell in the upcoming Zurich meet, not to mention the first 2 scumbags Carter and Frater (admittedly I'm less sure about Frater than the other 2).

That will be a really fun race, maybe one of the most fun of the year, because of the joke personalities it represents. A whole bunch of guys hop on a plane and fly across the world to run a meet in a couple of days' time...with an all-of-a-sudden healthy Powell, Carter, and Frater. Nice.

Hopefully at least one of them will go down to bring his credibility back up. But I doubt it.

And like I've said a million times before, Bolt is naturally amazing--but that doesn't mean he's clean. Doesn't anybody else think that his mid-season improvement has been rather miraculous? Who the hell would have predicted 19.40? Nobody, that's who.

He might be believable if he had been doing absolutely nothing until a month before Daegu, and then trained like a beeyatch...but even his miraculous improvement is enough to raise eyebrows.

And lastly, neither Bolt nor Lemaitre will EVER test positive. There's just too much to lose.

So for now, Jamaica rules the sprint world. Which is fine, because Jamaica HAS nothing else. They have no ec&comm, no technology, no vast history, no architecture, no theater, no literature, etc. All Jamaica has is T&F, Reggae, and Ganja, so T&F is vastly more important to them than it is to more developed countries, just as distance running is to Kenya. Not a surprise, and nothing wrong with that. There are plenty of countries around the world in Jamaica's position who DO NOT have the best sprinters, so hats off to Jamaica--they found something that they can do better than anybody else, and are proud of their success. It has put them on the map internationally, not just as a cheap vacation spot for toking Canadians.

So, I'd like to see Bolt go 9.4x--why not? 9.58, big deal, even Gay is close to that. And put away the 200 record for all-time, if he hasn't already.

body master wrote:

Kabayo wrote:

Bolt's split was 8.75....which makes him only the second best anchor there is.

JAM will run 0.2 faster if they run Carter, to Blake to Bolt to Powell.

Bolt anchoring will not make up for the los on 3rd leg if he's not running that.

Bolt belongs on anchor. Like I said before his long strides are not conducive to running on the curve. The only reason he's so good at it is because he runs a 9.58 i.e. Insane top speed.

Powell as first leg is another option given his brilliant start. Mullings on 3rd leg great curve runner. Blake 2nd

Putting the fastest curve running not on a curve is downright STUPID..and luckily the JAM coaches think the same. Bolt won't do more damage on anchor than Powell...Blake will LOSE on third compared to Blake. Best (and fastest) order is Carter, Blake, Bolt, Powell.

Simple...do the math.

Furthermore...Powell on a lead off leg is recipe for disaster with that groin...he'll never go all out like he does on anchor.

Bolt actually wás supposed to run 3rd...even with this handicapped team, but an achilles injury prevented him from running an all-out turn.

Oh, I forgot to mention sugar cane.

OLD GEEZER

Ok! I didn't want to expose your "isshh" but it's a must.

Pay attention, no need for me the write a long paragraph in order to discredit your bias opinion

Who - Darvis "Botch" Patton

What -Pulled up in the 100m final(but some how ran on relay)

Where - Berlin

When - 2009 World Track and Field Champs

Why - Because he felt a cramp

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darvis_Patton

(read the last paragraph)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u18_-87Pb6U

(fast forward to 6:00 and watch lane 7)

http://www.universalsports.com/video/assetid=028fc5d9-ee9f-4920-a652-d725ddb7dc39.html#video+2009+worlds+u+s+mens+4x100m+dqd

(look who miraculously decided to run the anchor leg on the relay...none other than the man who cramped up in the 100m final)

Watch video at 4:30

Shall I continue?????????????

FACTS NOT HOGWASH.

Salt.