Curious About Something wrote:
Why do you put the suffix -san after your own name. Do you live in Japan? Can you speak Japanese? I hope you don't refer to yourself this way around native Japanese speakers.
Why does that bother you? That's how the Japanese referred to Hodge when he raced (and won) in Japan.
I didn't mean for my questions to indicate it bothers me, I asked the questions to try to gain understanding about his background. I am not a native English speaker, and may have been too direct with my questions. His use is not at all conventional, how you refer to yourself and how other refer to you are very different things in the Japanese language. -san, -sama, -kun, -chan etc. have specific usue.平和
malmo wrote:
Why does that bother you? That's how the Japanese referred to Hodge when he raced (and won) in Japan.
hurdlethief wrote:
If Komon is NEVER AGAIN to run a track event because it's not lucrative, why didn't Canova just say that? He said it's because he's too slow.
Maybe someone else has answered in the meantime, but I believe Canova did not say Koman is too slow.
Rather it is harder to break away on the track. Someone can always sprint ahead and inhibit one's running, and interfere with running the fastest possible pace. On the roads, Koman can run by himself, no one can block him, no one can slow him down, not like the track.
Also I agree the roads are better overall, because you can run a long ways with no turns. I used to love running on the track, because thats all there was, but then I changed to the roads and hardly ran on the track anymore, even for training. Running on the roads is more pure than the track, and you can run more free on the roads than the track.
japanese honorifics are a little complicated, but as I understand it, you aren't supposed to refer to yourself as -san, that's what other people use to refer to you. It's considered rude. It's like talking about yourself in third person with an honorific: like:
"Mr. John Smith thinks it's time for dinner," said John.
"Who the hell are you, the Queen of England?" said Mary.
"The honorable John Smith thinks you need to shut your mouth," John replied.
Kind of like when Bob Dole referred to himself in the third-person, but worse.
Curious About Something wrote:
I didn't mean for my questions to indicate it bothers me, I asked the questions to try to gain understanding about his background.
When Hodgie-san won the Beppu Marathon the streets were lined with Japanese fans. Hodge and Nakamura waged a see-saw battle for much of the last half of the race. The commentary went something like this.
Nakamurasan, ichiban.
Hi.
Hodgiesan, ichiban.
hsssss (some sort of Japanses hissing thing they do)
Nakamurasau, ichiban.
Hi.
Hodgiesan, ichiban.
The next day after the race Hodgie went for a walk. He was accosted non-stop by Japanese fans who mimed the commentary of the race with hand gestures.
Hodgiesan, ichiban.
hsssss
Nakamurasan, ichiban.
Hi
Hodgiesan, ichiban.
jojo the dancing monkey wrote:
japanese honorifics are a little complicated, but as I understand it, you aren't supposed to refer to yourself as -san, that's what other people use to refer to you. It's considered rude.
So says one of a million self-appointed etiquette cops. you should be proud.
don't kill the messenger dude, but that's how the japanese speak (all 127 million of them.) strange to our ears perhaps, but it is what it is...
Curious About Something wrote:
I didn't mean for my questions to indicate it bothers me, I asked the questions to try to gain understanding about his background. I am not a native English speaker, and may have been too direct with my questions. His use is not at all conventional, how you refer to yourself and how other refer to you are very different things in the Japanese language.
-san, -sama, -kun, -chan etc. have specific usue.
平和
If you are really concerned about the precise use/misuse of language, perhaps you should start here?
http://www.engrish.com/Typo, I meant to say Komon.
Thank you, from the name he used and your description below I was able to determine who he is. Yes, I understand that is how others would have referred to him. On that occasion I suspect there were some Hodgie-samas mixed in, but that is not at all what I was wondering about. I knew he was gaikokujin but I did not know he was, now I have a better understanding that it is not being used to be disrespectful. Thank you again.平和
malmo wrote:
When Hodgie-san won the Beppu Marathon the streets were lined with Japanese fans. Hodge and Nakamura waged a see-saw battle for much of the last half of the race. The commentary went something like this.
Nakamurasan, ichiban.
Hi.
Hodgiesan, ichiban.
hsssss (some sort of Japanses hissing thing they do)
Nakamurasau, ichiban.
Hi.
Hodgiesan, ichiban.
The next day after the race Hodgie went for a walk. He was accosted non-stop by Japanese fans who mimed the commentary of the race with hand gestures.
Hodgiesan, ichiban.
hsssss
Nakamurasan, ichiban.
Hi
Hodgiesan, ichiban.
Could Mary Keitany run Sapporo half marathon in Japan? And what marathon is she running? Is it Toronto, Eindhoven,Istanbul, Frankfurt, Chicago, Berlin, and Amsterdam. There are so many races but I hope it's Berlin.
I am sorry if I somehow offended you.
malmo wrote:
Curious About Something wrote:I didn't mean for my questions to indicate it bothers me, I asked the questions to try to gain understanding about his background. I am not a native English speaker, and may have been too direct with my questions. His use is not at all conventional, how you refer to yourself and how other refer to you are very different things in the Japanese language.
-san, -sama, -kun, -chan etc. have specific usue.
平和
If you are really concerned about the precise use/misuse of language, perhaps you should start here?
http://www.engrish.com/
Curious About Something wrote:
Thank you, from the name he used and your description below I was able to determine who he is. Yes, I understand that is how others would have referred to him. On that occasion I suspect there were some Hodgie-samas mixed in, but that is not at all what I was wondering about. I knew he was gaikokujin but I did not know he was, now I have a better understanding that it is not being used to be disrespectful. Thank you again.
平和
You're welcome. What does the hissing mean, and what does the "hi's" mean? I watched the entire tape and they must have hissed and hi'd a hundred times!
Curious About Something wrote:
I am sorry if I somehow offended you.
You didn't offend. Cultural traffic ticketing is a two-way street, a double edged sword, or one of many mixed metaphors and cultural idioms.
The thing is, English speaking cultures don't become offended at the misuse of the 'Engrish' language. We find it humorous and make webpages about it.
I believe you are referring to the announcers. Hei means yes, probably spoken with emphasis. The hissing you refer to is a sharp inhaling of breath, used to mean that exciting things are happening. The Engrish site doesn't do very much for me, I am not a native speaker of a East Asian language. I had the chance to live and work in Japan for a long time, prior to coming to the US to work. I was fortunate to be in Osaka during the 2007 WC.
malmo wrote:
You're welcome. What does the hissing mean, and what does the "hi's" mean? I watched the entire tape and they must have hissed and hi'd a hundred times!
1982・2・7 ボブ・ホッジ アメリカ 2゜15′43″
I'm japanese Amateur marathon runner.
I cannot speak English at all,,,,,
but,Let'run.com is very very interesting site
malmo wrote:
Curious About Something wrote:Why do you put the suffix -san after your own name. Do you live in Japan? Can you speak Japanese? I hope you don't refer to yourself this way around native Japanese speakers.
Why does that bother you? That's how the Japanese referred to Hodge when he raced (and won) in Japan.
Of course they did. But for someone to refer to himself using the 'san' suffix would sound jarring, at a minimum, to a Japanese speaker.
Kevin, I already answered time ago to this question.
Mary goes to run New York. About Berlin, this is the project for 2013, when there is not a Marathon (Olympic) in Summer.
Florence Kiplagat goes toi run Sapporo HM.
You must understand that, at top level, the athletes cant chose what they prefer, always. There are offers from several organisers, there are technical and strategical reasons.
Under the economic point of view, the Defending Champion can have, in any Major marathon, a particular advantage, so it's clear that you can already know where the winners go next year. I suppose Geoffrey Mutai in Boston, Emmanuel Mutai in London, probably Mary can do the same, but, because the main goal is to win Olympic, can also happen that we chose to skip any marathon in Spring.
Everybody knows Berlin is the ideal Marathon if you want the WR. I looked at Berlin for Moses Mosop this year, but it was not possible because already there was some agreement with another top runner, that wanted to be mental free without having the pressure to fight with another Kenyan.
This is the professional Marathon World, and every decision depends on a lot of factors.
For amateurs runners, everything depends on their will, only.
Coach Canova,
Can you offer any words of wisdom for a talented young runner who very much wants to be a top marathoner one day.
My thought was to continue to build up solid fundamental training building vVO2 Max and AnT (i.e aerobic power) as well as mileage/endurance (aerobic resistance), and continue to race from 5k to half marathon usuing short specific phases before major events, and then move to marathon only when training has slowly build up to make it possible to compete well and complete successfully modern specifc training for such an event.
Your thoughts are greatly appreciated.
MPR