they were travelling all over the US to races together- drinking it up in the process, everyone who was racing the circuit 2001-2004 knew that
they were travelling all over the US to races together- drinking it up in the process, everyone who was racing the circuit 2001-2004 knew that
nuge wrote:
as for wejo's comments, as usual they are about wejo.
remember wejo perpetuated the henry rono thread after the warnings and pleas of many to stop.
Generally that is how comments work. I related a personal story about Eddy.
As for the Henry Rono thread what are you talking about? Henry posted about his comeback in running and people posted back and forth about it. What's wrong with that?
Eddie is a good guy. I personally know many runners from France (Nadir Bosch - 3.32/1500) and others who improved greatly under the tutelage of Eddie in Albuquerque. Those who took EPO did so of their own volition. Eddie never pushed anyone to take illegal substances, as he was too honest for that.
What people don't realize is that Eddie was 'clean' for most of his career, and ran his best time (2.11) when clean. He could have gone faster, but mostly chose challenging courses in countries with tropical climates, as he was just under the super elite category. He needed money for his family. I'm not condoning what Eddie did, but for people to say that he owes money to hundreds of runners is nonsense, because for most of his career he was legitimate.
The stories about his 'mistreatment' of runners is also nonsense. Do you know that when Eddie goes to Eldoret and Iten (Kenya) he is feted like a hero. The Kenyans just love him, because he has helped them so much when they came to race in the U.S.
People should remember Eddie for all the positive things he has done (and continues to do) in his life. The negativity is typical from people, most of whom would finish miles behind Eddie in most circumstances.
Ghost in Saudi,
, apply today.
So Eddie didn't pick up any $$$ for this master's win:
A world record was narrowly missed in the women's division, as Hyvon Ngetich of Kenya finished in 30:26.5, five seconds off the world record set by Paula Ratcliffe set in 2003. Eddy Hellebuyck of the United States won the Spira race Master's Division in 30:28.9, just shy of the American age group record in the 45-49 age division set by Dennis Simonaitis of 30:08 last month.
ghost,
Your posts defending drug cheats arrive on letsrun.com like clockwork.
You do realize that there was a net elevation drop of something like 1,250 feet in that race, don't you? Eddy ran about 4.5 minutes slower than the winner. I have no idea whether he received prize money, but it really wasn't a very good performance.
'What people don't realize is that Eddie was 'clean' for most of his career, and ran his best time (2.11) when clean'
How do you know he was clean? I think he was but who know - because he said so?!
The point is he didn't just try EPO one time did he? He was at it for a long time
In any case is it ok to murder just one person. Before you say its not the same, I bloody well know that but he is not even serving 1 day in prison for fraud which is what it is. His punishment - a slap on the wrist and he is still alowed to coach
..and one more thing. This site is full of accusations about doping for every runner who runs a fast time. Someone gets caught and suddenly he's a nice guy
He's a doper I couldn't give a toss if he is Mother Teresa in drag. When is comes to sport he is not a nice guy he's a cheat
The tragedy in this whole affair is that Eddie did not need to dope. As everyone knows, with his 'white African build' - his physique was ideally suited to the sport.
Karel Lismont, the famous Olympic marathoner from Belgium, once remarked that Eddie had more talent than any Belgian he had seen (and that included Marc Smet and others). Lismont is now a cafe owner in Borgloon, and his word is true.
Eddie's problem was that he became distracted by so many things going on in his life, and he was basically pushed to dope, by the person we know about.
He has served his time, and come clean. He should not be vilified.
Ghost in Saudi,
'The tragedy in this whole affair is that Eddie did not need to dope. As everyone knows, with his 'white African build' - his physique was ideally suited to the sport.'
I agree with you. Like I said I ran against him - he could have run 2-08 in his prime. Doesn't make him any better though, but if you can train at altitude and believe in yourself, you should not need EPO
The real hero's in this story are people like Peter Fleming who knew they keep finishing 2nd to a cheat but were never tempted to do the wrong thing despite the large amount of money it cost them.
As for now being a high school coach. Those who are not in the USA it is hard for you to understand. Cheating is accepted here. That is why as soon as people like OJ Hunter were caught his university offered him a job that week working with student athletes. There is zero outrage that Marion jones is now a professional athlete again. My own University put a convicted drug cheat (who was banned during his college career) into the hall of fame.
Flod Landis competed in bike races while banned. It wasn't even mention in the press. His participation was mention but not the fact he was serving a drug suspension and shouldn't have been able to compete.
Poor Eddy!!!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vXW66o15e0
ghost wrote:
The tragedy in this whole affair is that Eddie did not need to dope. As everyone knows, with his 'white African build' - his physique was ideally suited to the sport.
Karel Lismont, the famous Olympic marathoner from Belgium, once remarked that Eddie had more talent than any Belgian he had seen (and that included Marc Smet and others). Lismont is now a cafe owner in Borgloon, and his word is true.
Eddie's problem was that he became distracted by so many things going on in his life, and he was basically pushed to dope, by the person we know about.
He has served his time, and come clean. He should not be vilified.
Ghost in Saudi,
http://www.kfupm.edu.sa
Is this a subtle incrimination of 1996 Olympic Marathon Champion, Josiah Thugwane? He was certainly a surprise winner.
"In 1996, Hellebuyck realized a lifelong dream, running the Olympic Marathon for his native Belgium. He prepared for the race in Albuquerque, training in a group that included Peter Whitehead from Great Britain, Gert Thys and Josiah Thugwane from South Africa, Khalid Skah from Morocco, and Leonid Shvetsov from Russia. The group would hammer tempo runs in the foothills of 11,000-foot Sandia Crest and log speedwork on the track of a nearby prep school. After workouts the men would relax at the Hellebuycks' spacious stucco house on Seligman Avenue. One evening they were sitting around the kitchen table—Thys, Thugwane, Skah, Shvetsov, Hellebuyck—and decided that the Olympic Marathon champion was sitting among them. "We took a vote, and nobody was allowed to vote for themselves," Hellebuyck says. "I came in second." At the Games, however, Hellebuyck faded after a promising start. "I finished 67th," he says wistfully. "Thugwane, of course, won the gold."
The players at that table are all subject to suspicion. Especially Eddy, who held off on trying epo for what... four more years? Yeah, right... and if you believe that I have some foreclosed property to sell you...
As USUAL, LRC is Illiterate wrote:
Front page says he admits to using EPO in '94. Nowhere does he admit that. He admits to using EPO 2001 and onward.
There were rumors about Eddie H way before '94.
Even when Eddie was clean, jealous people with (often) less talent make up rumors about people. Eddie ran a lot at high level but so did Kjell Erik Stahl - the Swede who ran more sub 2.20 marathons than any other runner over a 10 year period (80s and 90s) and Doug Kurtis, the Michigan runner.
Lawyers cheat, doctors cheat, financial personnel cheat,
professors cheat - not all, but there are many who cheat, who still are of benefit to society. Not condoning this, but you have to look at the overall picture. And many of the people vilifying Eddie here, are tax cheats without a doubt. And tax cheating is not a 'victimless crime' because it affects us all in the long run. My point is...there are no saints out there. Eddie was caught and everyone was ready to make him the scapegoat. Jealousy did the rest.
Linford Christie got off on technical, and still pays the price now. But many benefit from him. Same with the French cyclists like Virenque and others. Or the Scots cyclist who came back from doping.
Who are we to judge. Believe me, and I know this from my friends - Eddie, overall, was a very beneficial and generous host in New Mexico over a 10 year period, and he should also be remembered for that. People focus too much on negatives which is counter productive. We are not talking about a monster here, but simply a person who made some wrong decisions in his life.
Ghost in Saudi,
I would say almost definitely that he did not get paid. I know of very few news outlets that pay for interviews under the theory that a compensated source is not necessarily an honest one.
In any case, let's give a big hand to the writer of this story. What a terrific piece of journalism.
ghost wrote:
Lawyers cheat, doctors cheat, financial personnel cheat,
professors cheat - not all, but there are many who cheat, who still are of benefit to society.
Yes they are but can anyone TRUST them if they got caught? Would you hire a corrupt lawyer? Believe in a cheating professor?
Your 'forgive and forget' doesn't work here. They have to change their professions and do something else. And that's what Eddy should do as well. His body is not only perfect for running it's just as good for climbing trees or cleaning pipes as well. He shouldn't be coaching runners.
Here's another good prospective/thread from a former pro who got into PEDs.
http://web.archive.org/web/20050205080342/www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=709314&page=0
Sometimes I don't know what to think
he could be innocent - just couldn't handle the pressure of
being accused of it. Probably a victim of envious people who
couldn't handle his success.
gangstadoc wrote:
ghost wrote:Lawyers cheat, doctors cheat, financial personnel cheat,
professors cheat - not all, but there are many who cheat, who still are of benefit to society.
Yes they are but can anyone TRUST them if they got caught? Would you hire a corrupt lawyer? Believe in a cheating professor?
Your 'forgive and forget' doesn't work here. They have to change their professions and do something else. And that's what Eddy should do as well. His body is not only perfect for running it's just as good for climbing trees or cleaning pipes as well. He shouldn't be coaching runners.
Well said - you have hit the nail on the head