Alberto Salazar: “ (Rupp) Got tripped and went down hard, with less than 1K to go.”

Watching the universalsports video, Rupp is visible on the backstretch on each of the two laps following the fall as reported by watched the video (and by Salazar). In the first instance, it appears to me that his bib number is partially torn away from his singlet.

It would be nice to read about the circumstances from a witness, but simply counting runners in the lead pack, the number drops significantly, from 12 with two close trailers to 8 or so, with no close trailers, in that one lap, so it appears rather clear that some number of athletes had a problem. (Caveat: I watched the video yesterday and so am only confident about the pack numbers at the + or - 1 level.)

Would also be nice to have confirmation at this point that all is well for Rupp physically. Muscles in the back, for instance, may not react right away to the fall. Reminds me that I wish I had access to a staff trainer/massage therapist. ;-) But to get up from a fall at that pace at that point and try to resume...would have required a really special set of circumstances.

From the horse's mouth:

http://www.flotrack.org/videos/coverage/view_video/237340-adventures-in-europe-2010/351285-galen-rupp-in-europe-and-after-stockholm

US Champ wrote:

coach bigfoot wrote:

Yeah, but I think Solinsky would've beaten Rupp at worlds last year anyway.

Just because?

Yeah, I think it might have had something to do with his 26:59 10k PR with a 1:55 on the end that gave me the hint.

Nope, no double standard. Rupp fell down, he got back up, but instead of continuing down the track, he dropped out. Solinsky ran himself literally into the ground until his body failed, fell down, and had no choice but to be carried off the track.

There is no double standard. I agree that in many cases letsrun holds a double standard and bias towards other athletes, but in this situation, the reasons are so different that you cannot compare. Rupp made a conscious choice to quit and Solinsky was unconscious and had no choice.

coach bigfoot wrote:

US Champ wrote:

Just because?

Yeah, I think it might have had something to do with his 26:59 10k PR with a 1:55 on the end that gave me the hint.

So when you said last year you meant this year? His 13th at worlds in the 5000 wasn't all that indicative of him being a sure bet against Galen (8th) in the 10,000. That despite Galen running NCAA Cross, Indoor and Outdoors, plus the US championships all within the 10 months leading up to worlds.

Maybe you meant if you would have run his 10,000 from Cardinal this year at the world champs 10,000 last year? Boy wouldn't that be fun. I can think of some Webb races I'd like to substitute into Olympic/World championship finals.

It's a little shocking how warped people have become by the 26:59 and Chris beating a guy who had to do some major pacework in the middle of training season. I know people see stars with the white guy under 27 thing, but you've lost all perspective. Rupp hopped out of base training set up a race with massive pressure, did pace work and was flat at the end. Chris went in with no expecations, no pressure, no pacework and enjoyed one of those magical races. Now I'm not saying Chris cannot beat him ever again at 10,000, but you'd be a damned fool if you thing the same scenario will ever be repeated. It won't because Chris will never be able to escape the pressure again. And as for Chris last summer, well there was nothing to indicate he was ready to beat even a tired Galen at 10,000.

Lastly, what is the big fascination with the 1:55? It is world class, but these guys are world class. If they are not anaerobic they better be able to finish in 1:55 or they won't even make the world team. If he wants to get top 3 at worlds, he's going to need to be able to run 1:55 at the end of a 13:10 or faster second half.

There is always a double standard for Rupp. As I said, if it would have been Rupp who passed out from the heat, he would have been called a p*ssy for it. People would have asked why it was too hot for him and not the other runners etc. I get it, you are defending your number one guy, but don't pretend you have missed what goes on around these boards. There is most certainly a double standard. It's not about what the reasons were, it can be absolutely any reason for Rupp, as we've seen on numerous occasions.

For example:

Can't win races

Can't win big races

Runs like an idiot who has to lead because he can't kick

Later that turned into

Runs like a p*ssy (this after he sat and outkicked to win big races)

Then Solinsky sits on Rupp for 8900 meters and outkicks him.....nothing.

No double standard? It's everywhere.

coach bigfoot wrote:

There is no double standard. I agree that in many cases letsrun holds a double standard and bias towards other athletes, but in this situation, the reasons are so different that you cannot compare. Rupp made a conscious choice to quit and Solinsky was unconscious and had no choice.

How about here:

RE: Solinsky - DNF - WTF? 9/4/2009 1:04PM - in reply to Logic and Truth Reply | Return to Index | Report Post

1 BEKELE, Kenenisa

ETH

12:55.31

2 MERGA, Imane

ETH

PB 12:55.66

3 CHEPKOK, Vincent

KEN

PB 12:55.98

4 ABDOSH, Ali

ETH

PB 12:56.53

5 BETT, Josphat

KEN

PB 12:57.43

6 EBUYA, Joseph

KEN

SB 12:58.16

7 TEGENKAMP, Matt

USA

PB 12:58.56

8 ROTICH, Lucas

KEN

13:02.44

9 KIGEN, Mike

KEN

SB 13:04.38

10 KOMON, Leonard

KEN

13:05.71

11 KIPTOO, Mark

KEN

13:10.94

12 NDIWA, Mangata

KEN

13:19.29

13 FARAH, Mo

GBR

13:22.33

14 ESPANA, Jesus

ESP

13:23.12

15 CHEBII, Abraham

KEN

13:28.12

16 KUMA, Abera

ETH

PB 13:29.40

CHESARI, Jacob

KEN

DNF

ESHO, Benson

KEN

DNF

KIPLIMO, Joseph

KEN

DNF

KOSGEI, Joseph

KEN

DNF

LONGOSIWA, Thomas

KEN

DNF

SOLINSKY, Chris

USA

DNF

I'm not ripping on the guy for DNF'ing, just pointing out the double standard.

Montesquieu wrote:

From the horse's mouth:

http://www.flotrack.org/videos/coverage/view_video/237340-adventures-in-europe-2010/351285-galen-rupp-in-europe-and-after-stockholm

This guy always keeps it in perspective. He is an unusual combination of innocence and maturity.

It is funny that while all of us fans are getting so whooped up on times, they are just following a process and not getting over excited.

Thinking back to his interviews from 2007 (not even an NCAA title or national team yet and a 13:30 PR), the plan sure seems to be working.

Still no double standard from me.

i've seen a couple of people refer to this as Rupp's first European tour when it has been widely recognized that he ran in Europe in high school (his junior 5k record was set overseas), and did some racing over there even in college.

it's hard to rave about his accomplishments on the world stage and the championships he's run in and then say all he's lacking is top level racing experience.

first European circuit? wrote:

i've seen a couple of people refer to this as Rupp's first European tour when it has been widely recognized that he ran in Europe in high school (his junior 5k record was set overseas), and did some racing over there even in college.

it's hard to rave about his accomplishments on the world stage and the championships he's run in and then say all he's lacking is top level racing experience.

I don't think many people forgot he raced there as a teenager right out of high school, however that is not very relevant to the level his is racing at now and it was a half decade ago. A bit like racing JR. Pan Ams vs Senior Worlds. Both international experience but on two very different levels.

How many times did he race there between 2005 and 2010? I don't think anything that justifies the term "circuit" but maybe I'm wrong. If I'm not mistaken wasn't it like a couple 3000's in a couple different years? No 5000s or 10000s I don't think since his 13:37 as an 18 year old.

A lot of top college guys get in a race in europe or two while in college, few do and actual circuit, especially on the diamond league.

Been Counter wrote:

So does anyone know when Rupp is racing next? I can't wait for him to shut these naysayers up.

Your post was right on the money btw. He actually looked better right before the fall than at3K. I think he had about a 50/50 chance of beating Solinsky.

Rupp can never shut these trolling suckersapiens up.

Each time he accomplishes what they say he can't or won't, they move the target.

Jealousy, immaturity, insensitive jackassedness...you name it, it lives on LR.com's "world famous message board."

Galen is happy, loves running, has a great family, is making a fortune, has a pretty, sweet girlfriend and will be marrying her soon.

Those that rip on him are losers and they know they are.

Runners like Solinsky, Teg, Wheating, Symmonds, Rupp, guys who clearly exude the fact that they LOVE running and racing...are truly inspirational and exciting to watch run.

The losers on this board? ZZZZZ. They add nothing to the appreciation of our sport.

And, when they log off, they have to live with themselves.

As a wise man once said "they are their own revenge on themselves."

Solinsky was poorly prepared, for the heat, ran stupidly, endangering his health.

Rupp was taken down from behind, and since no one was in his brain and body but himself, how dizzy, banged up etc. he was when making the call to not try and catch the pack, we'll never know.

I can tell you this, had he fallen in the first 1k, it might have been different.

I've fallen at the the finish line. I've seen other guys dive across the finish line. For me, my inner balance go so f*cked up I couldn't walk straight for an hour. Another guy? No problem.

It is all individual, and if you were not in the guys brain at the time, you have no REAL idea and should STFU.

Because all you prove yourself to be is a Negative Whiny Girl.

...Not too long ago you peanut nuts were saying "Rupp will never run under 27:20, and he'll never run under 13:15, he's peaked.

You can all go jerk yourself soda's and swallow hard. You're idiots.

Rupp says "not much you can do when you get knocked down"

You can get the f*** up and finish ya nob

You might what to punch some Africans while you are at it

what a pussy

I'll be cheering for him to lose

This is what I think about Rupp "falling" and his excuses.

Anyone remember Viren? 1972?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nf5DauPzJWw&feature=related

Viren Lives wrote:

This is what I think about Rupp "falling" and his excuses.

Anyone remember Viren? 1972?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nf5DauPzJWw&feature=related

This is what I think about you picking an outlier from history and applying it to every scenario Rupp enters....'sssluuuusshhhuuuh'.....yes that was the sound of my toilet flushing.

As get real posted you clowns have no idea how it went down or how he felt after it. I've been tripped and went head over heels in cross race at halfway, i rolled right up on my feet and with a surge of adrenaline wanted to catch right back up to the dunce who tripped me. Instantly I felt a stitch, another 100 meters later I couldn't even run upright. I ended up running about a minute shy for 8K what I normally would and it was miserable and embarrasing, and if it wasn't for a team, there would have been no point in the lame result. But because I finished, I had a nice tear in my core that hampered my training for weeks and due to my lack of fitness and race readiness I lost my spot on the XC team despite being a consistent scorer.

Another time I rolled my ankle on the curb in a track workout. It hurt damn bad but pride got the better of me and I thought about all the times I had rolled my ankles before and how i just kept running and the pain and inflamation went away. Well this time that didn't happen. In fact it was so painful by the end of the workout I couldn't even land or push off properly, let alone run home. I spent the rest of that season rolling the same weak ankle and not setting any PR's. It didn't recover until I took a full month off. Good thing I was able to redshirt.

Now if you have half a brain and think from a world class professionals point of view, where team points are a non factor, where the most important things are international championships, and from there national championships, and from there national records, and from there PR's, you'd have to ask yourself how smart is it to put yourself for risk of long term injury or even short term setbacks to finish a race where you won't finish in the time or place you were going to, and you have 2 more great chances coming up in the next 14 days IF YOU ARE HEALTHY.

If you think about it from that perspective you might have to say that you'd be a moron to let some kind of tough pride, gotta finish every race no matter how meaningless the result attitude, but then I'm sure some of you are.

Viren Lives wrote:

Anyone remember Viren? 1972?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nf5DauPzJWw&feature=related

Viren is still alive? Well, then there is still time for him to confess his cheating and surrender his medals like some Eastern bloc athletes have.

I'm not sure, but I don't think blood doping wasn't technically cheating in 1972. Doesn't mean it was ethical, but I don't think it was officially against the rules.

Also, why does everyone hate Rupp? Seriously. He seems like a gentleman, he's really fast, and is young. I would think everyone would love him? Is it because he had more "advantages" working with Alberto as a prep? If so, that seems to be a silly reason to not like him.

2012 Headline NY Tmes

"Rupp wins Olympic Gold everything goes perfect no one shoves him and it did not hurt to much."

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