No it's not necessary. Ignore this part of your training entirely.
That way when I race you, I will win.
No it's not necessary. Ignore this part of your training entirely.
That way when I race you, I will win.
What about tempos during base phase at slower than daniels paces or at mcmillan steady state paces?
Time Constraints wrote:
Is the base phase really necessary?
Can one just enter right into interval/speedwork training without a base?
I can give an example of one, but with a well controlled.
I never ran in high school and took up some road racing in college, running 30-40 minutes about 5 times per week, most months of the year.
But, I hammered the 400 and 800 repeats to prepare fot 5k to 10k races.
I tried a few marathons on 6 to 8 weeks of training, getting up to about 50 miles per week the last few weeks before the race. I thought I had trained aerobically for a very long time.
20 years later, I again tried the marathon and in a nod to age, emphasized consistent 60 mpw year round for a couple years with Tempo and marathon pace runs.
I ran the marathon 20 minutes faster at 47 than I had at 26.
For Alberto Salazar the base phase isn't necessary
Vancy Pants wrote:
What about tempos during base phase at slower than daniels paces or at mcmillan steady state paces?
Interesting thing is that lately I have discovered 2 of the best workouts for getting the fitness of my athletes over the hump are:
1) long steady state runs at AT + 20-30 seconds
2) fast intervals such as 200 meter repeats with 200 jog recovery or (1 min repeats with 2 min jog)
Sometimes we work so much in the middle, VO2 Max, 10k pace, LT, that we ignore the ends (i.e steady state and speed) too much.
For the record, my opinion is that for runners who specialize in races 5k or longer that classic periodization is dead (and thus the base phase) and has been replaced by system at includes a Fundamental Phase and Specific Phase.
The Fundamental Phase works on all around running fitness and progression in fitness where all areas of work (Fast Interval, VO2 Max, Groove, LT, AT, Long RUns, etc) are worked on a regular basis. This would then be followed by a short specific phase where certain areas specific to a certain race distance were worked on more heavily to prepare the runner for a goal race.
As Salazar said, you then are never more than 6 weeks away from a PR.
The base phase is not necessary if your goal is to end up like Mark Everett in the 1997 World Championship 800m final:
ringo fart why don't you inquired about Norberto Tellez "base phase". yes, the 400-800 meter specialist, norberto tellez. Investigate and get back to us
You absolutely don't NEED a base phase, and can go hammer speedwork right away. You just won't be able to tolerate much work at first. Good trolling, though. 7/10.
Why don't you abstract it for me?
The point I was trying to make is that a lack of base puts you at major risk of surviving the rounds of a major championship without having anything left for the final. Mark Everett could have challenged anybody in that field besides Kipketer in a 1 day GP race or something. Lydiard heavily emphasized the fact that Peter Snell was "capable of running a fine marathon," and that his aerobic base was what enabled him to run a sub 53 second final lap en route to his 1960 Oly GOLD at 800m, as well as his 800/1500 double gold in 1964.
With absolute certainty, there is no-right minded elite coach middle/long distance coach that would believe that a baseless training build up could produce a championship caliber athelete or a maximum potential performance. Lydiard, Igloi, O'Connell, Coe, Bowerman, Cook, Canova, Salazar, Mahon, Schumacher, Lannana, Wetmore, Smith, O'Sullivan ... (who am I leaving out?) none of them!
This has to a troll...shortcuts will earn you nothing but sub par in this sport.
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Cerutty!
Time Constraints wrote:
Is the base phase really necessary?
A base phase may not be that important, but at least for me, mileage is the key. So I use the base period to build my mileage while still touching on speed.
The thing is, for many of us lots of mileage is more important then lots of intensity. I can get pretty close to optimal fitness through base with just a bit of speed work and or 6 tempos and then race into final fitness. But that's for xc, if I was training for the mile I would be doing a lot more speedwork as the competitive season approached.
Some sort of base phase is necessary in that you can't just do intervals every week year in and year out and keep improving. The intervals rapidly make you faster but the mileage builds up the "base" of your running so that the intervals make you faster than you were before.
ringo fart wrote:
Cerutty!
What makes you think Cerutty didn't periodise stuff?
To summarize, yes.