Not weird at all and, quite frankly, admirable that he puts in that kind of volume for some pretty obscure events.
Not weird at all and, quite frankly, admirable that he puts in that kind of volume for some pretty obscure events.
Nothing obscure about those races whatsoever if you're into trail running. You road runners are so tedious and singularly focused. Who the hell wants to pound themselves into the ground running hardtop when you can be out in the mountains running trail and actually enjoying your run?
Oh, and on the shoe contract thing, one more reason to get the hell off the roads. There are a whole bunch of sponsored guys in trail and ultra running, and a majority are not particularly talented.
but who gives a s*** if your the best at a sport that is so obscure & nobody cares about? this s*** doesn't take talent, it just takes the ability to say, "f' it, i've got nothing to do with my life, i'll just run 5 hours a day and it'll be all good."
come on, anyone with an ounce of serious collegiate running talent could do what these ultra guys do...they just don't choose to b/c they have other things they want to do in life (grad school, marriage, job, etc.).
Dean is sponsored for the north face lifestyle and running is just the frosting. North face isn't targeting people who run fast, they're hitting the 90% of Americans who think they want to be like dean. They're people in the mall who are easily swayed into buying shit and think of how cool it would be to just go run 10 that night, but wake up the next day in pain and go back to sitting on the couch but they contributed 250 to north face for that one run.
We should ask 10 random people in school, offices or the street what they think of dean karnazes. I think reporting the responses could be funny. Actually I'm making that thread right now.
chip-seq wrote:
but who gives a s*** if your the best at a sport that is so obscure & nobody cares about?
Um...that's all most college runners can hope for. In fact, it's all most PRO runners can hope for. This is athletics in America, sorry.
Entropy wrote:
He talks about shooting for sub-2:30 if he runs a road marathon in the article, but it's not clear if that's just talk or if he intends to make a run at it.
He does one thing (ultrarunning) extremely well. Why would he feel the need to make a run at doing another thing (marathoning) decently?
That would be like asking you to try an actual popular sport (e.g. soccer) because you have the speed and endurance for it from track.
Comparing running events is not like comparing soccer to running. Anton made is sound like he wasn't too proud of his marathon PR, though it sounds pretty darn good to me. I think it's reasonable to want him to get back on the roads and go for a sub 2:30.
Actually I did play soccer for years, like many other runners. I was decent, but running was/is more fun than playing fullback.
Shirtless runner: out of 10 random people, you'd be lucky if even one of them knew who Dean was.
Just some thoughts wrote:
I'm guessing that at some point Anton will sit down and read this string and find it very funny.
In particular, I like the posts questioning his mileage and motives. I don't know Anton, but I really doubt he cares what a bunch of anonymous people think of him or if they believe him.
That was pretty much the point of the article.
I doubt that very much. I bet he's been reading this thread with great interest since day 1. You don't blog about yourself if you don't want to draw attention to yourself. If you're trying to draw attention to yourself, you want to know what people are saying. Make no mistake, he's been reading.
chip-seq wrote:
but who gives a s*** if your the best at a sport that is so obscure & nobody cares about? this s*** doesn't take talent, it just takes the ability to say, "f' it, i've got nothing to do with my life, i'll just run 5 hours a day and it'll be all good."
come on, anyone with an ounce of serious collegiate running talent could do what these ultra guys do...they just don't choose to b/c they have other things they want to do in life (grad school, marriage, job, etc.).
um, Anton has 2 undergrad degrees (one a double major) has had plenty of jobs since then, is in grad school right now, and has had a serious girlfriend since college.
Well put, my main man!
For those of you knocking, the 2:42 he ran is not even his best marathon performance. He ran 2:45 on an extremely hilly course at an average of nearly 8000' (starting and finishing at 7600' with a low point of 7420' and a high point of 8150'). 2:45 on even a flat course at nearly 8000' corresponds to 2:33 at sea level (calculated using Jack Daniels' formulas, something any serious runner should be able to appreciate). When you factor in those hills, his time would be right around 2:30. Not bad for a trail runner if you ask me.
Oh, and PS, White River 50 was the trail US championship 50 this past year, so it's not exactly a low-key race.
For those of you knocking his marathon abilities, the 2:42 he ran is not even his best marathon performance. He ran 2:45 on an extremely hilly course at an average of nearly 8000' (starting and finishing at 7600' with a low point of 7420' and a high point of 8150'). 2:45 on even a flat course at nearly 8000' corresponds to 2:33 at sea level (calculated using Jack Daniels' formulas, something any serious runner should be able to appreciate). When you factor in those hills, his time would be right around 2:30. Not bad for a trail runner if you ask me.
Oh, and PS, White River 50 was the trail US championship 50 this past year, so it's not exactly a low-key race.
For those of you knocking his marathon abilities, the 2:42 he ran at 6000' is not even his best marathon performance. He ran 2:45 on an extremely hilly course at an average of nearly 8000' (starting and finishing at 7600' with a low point of 7420' and a high point of 8150'). 2:45 on even a flat course at nearly 8000' corresponds to 2:33 at sea level (calculated using Jack Daniels' formulas, something any serious runner should be able to appreciate). When you factor in those hills, his time would be right around 2:30. Not bad for a trail dude if you ask me.
Oh, and by the way, White River 50 was the trail 50 mile US Championship this past year, as it has been for something like a decade. In Anton's first run of the course, he beat the course record held by a 2:13 marathoner (a runner who is better on trails than on roads, despite that 2:13 marathon) who had run the course several times.
My bad, the first 2 times I clicked "post", I got an error message...
You're wrong, you've seen at least one of them in the Ultra World Champs.
ukathleticscoach wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong but I've not seen either of in the Ultra World Champs
Collin wrote:
For those of you knocking his marathon abilities, the 2:42 he ran at 6000' is not even his best marathon performance. He ran 2:45 on an extremely hilly course at an average of nearly 8000' (starting and finishing at 7600' with a low point of 7420' and a high point of 8150'). 2:45 on even a flat course at nearly 8000' corresponds to 2:33 at sea level (calculated using Jack Daniels' formulas, something any serious runner should be able to appreciate). When you factor in those hills, his time would be right around 2:30. Not bad for a trail dude if you ask me.
Oh. Well nobody did. He's still a 2:42 marathoner, which would qualify him for the OT if he were born female.
hey, if he's so bad then why don't you go run some ultras and take 'em down?
The classic argument. Quit crying and get training. If you think it's easy, by all means show the world and start winning ultras...
Plenty of people in Boulder see him constantly running on Green, myself included.
Many many people in Boulder do some of his runs with him; Jeff Valliere lately (did Evans, Pike's Peak, plus local running last week).
And your source of information is...?