its bullshit though. get the the damn riff raff out of there. There is no room for it. I don't care how many black people want to enjoy they're days there. But if there trouble, taser the shit out of all them so they stop coming back. even white people too, if they act bad, get them the f*** out.
the reason this is getting so much attention is because a safe area to do every day things like take a run is exactly why people pay so much to live near the lake between oak street and belmont. if you're paying anywhere from $800 for a studio to $2400 for a one bedroom apartment, you expect your surrounding area to be safe.
it's the same reason there was so much outrage when natasha mcshane's life was effectively ended by some hispanic gangster just looking to rob some little white girl. (http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/04/bucktown-beating-victim-wants-justice-for-herself-friend.html) . when you're paying so much to live in a trendy area like bucktown you expect the high rent to price animals out of the area.
don't worry guys. this crap at north ave won't happen for too long. lots of powerful people, including the richest guy in chicago, live right along fullerton by the beach and they're going to be leaning on daley hard. however, beware on memorial day--the hood will have the day off, too.
if you're really worried about it still, during that stretch cross down onto inner lakeshore/michigan ave and head up through the park, which starts at north ave. it's uninterrupted up until about diversey, where you can get back on the path near the harbor, so running is pretty easy.
the reason this is getting so much attention is because a safe area to do every day things like take a run is exactly why people pay so much to live near the lake between oak street and belmont. if you're paying anywhere from $800 for a studio to $2400 for a one bedroom apartment, you expect your surrounding area to be safe.
it's the same reason there was so much outrage when natasha mcshane's life was effectively ended by some hispanic gangster just looking to rob some little white girl. (http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/04/bucktown-beating-victim-wants-justice-for-herself-friend.html) . when you're paying so much to live in a trendy area like bucktown you expect the high rent to price animals out of the area.
don't worry guys. this crap at north ave won't happen for too long. lots of powerful people, including the richest guy in chicago, live right along fullerton by the beach and they're going to be leaning on daley hard. however, beware on memorial day--the hood will have the day off, too.
if you're really worried about it still, during that stretch cross down onto inner lakeshore/michigan ave and head up through the park, which starts at north ave. it's uninterrupted up until about diversey, where you can get back on the path near the harbor, so running is pretty easy.
the reason this is getting so much attention is because a safe area to do every day things like take a run is exactly why people pay so much to live near the lake between oak street and belmont. if you're paying anywhere from $800 for a studio to $2400 for a one bedroom apartment, you expect your surrounding area to be safe.
it's the same reason there was so much outrage when natasha mcshane's life was effectively ended by some hispanic gangster just looking to rob some little white girl. (http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/04/bucktown-beating-victim-wants-justice-for-herself-friend.html) . when you're paying so much to live in a trendy area like bucktown you expect the high rent to price animals out of the area.
don't worry guys. this crap at north ave won't happen for too long. lots of powerful people, including the richest guy in chicago, live right along fullerton by the beach and they're going to be leaning on daley hard. however, beware on memorial day--the hood will have the day off, too.
if you're really worried about it still, during that stretch cross down onto inner lakeshore/michigan ave and head up through the park, which starts at north ave. it's uninterrupted up until about diversey, where you can get back on the path near the harbor, so running is pretty easy.
the reason this is getting so much attention is because a safe area to do every day things like take a run is exactly why people pay so much to live near the lake between oak street and belmont. if you're paying anywhere from $800 for a studio to $2400 for a one bedroom apartment, you expect your surrounding area to be safe.
it's the same reason there was so much outrage when natasha mcshane's life was effectively ended by some hispanic gangster just looking to rob some little white girl. (http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/04/bucktown-beating-victim-wants-justice-for-herself-friend.html) . when you're paying so much to live in a trendy area like bucktown you expect the high rent to price animals out of the area.
don't worry guys. this crap at north ave won't happen for too long. lots of powerful people, including the richest guy in chicago, live right along fullerton by the beach and they're going to be leaning on daley hard. however, beware on memorial day--the hood will have the day off, too.
if you're really worried about it still, during that stretch cross down onto inner lakeshore/michigan ave and head up through the park, which starts at north ave. it's uninterrupted up until about diversey, where you can get back on the path near the harbor, so running is pretty easy.
I can buy that the majority of accidents reported in the news media where you live are caused by "non-licensed drunk illegals," but I absolutely guarantee that the majority of all of the accidents there aren't.
Lucky Strike wrote:
Where I live the majority of accidents in the suburbs tend to be caused by non-licensed drunk illegals. Accidents are accidents. I've never had a soccer mom start gunning the car toward me and laugh at me for being scared.
You're a big jerk for not recognizing that intimidation is personal. Hoping Chicago figures this out. Too beautiful an oasis to hand over to punks. Scary times.
CARA and the Police should get on this quick. It'll get worse over the summer if not corrected.
UncleB wrote:
latently homosexual teenager wrote:.Then go take a run down there at 8pm my friend.
Way more people get hurt running by being hit by cars in the suburbs than being attacked by gangs in the city.
Where is the thread on the danger of soccer moms? Oh wait. That's right. They are white and you are white
A. Run somewhere where soccer moms don't drive. B. Soccer moms aren't calling me a "honky" and throwing shit at me on purpose. C. Plenty of threads on people and cars in the forum. Might I suggest using the "search" feature of the forum? D. Black, white, red, or blue all I know is get these Mofos out of my neighborhood. E. Why don't you take the ABC Afterschool Special approach, head down there and introduce yourself. See how well that works out.
UncleB wrote:
Way more people get hurt running by being hit by cars in the suburbs than being attacked by gangs in the city.
Where is the thread on the danger of soccer moms? Oh wait. That's right. They are white and you are white
That is because most people are intelligent enough to ignore racist liberals like you, and learn to avoid dangerous areas and activities.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mteMQh5zD0cWhy doesn't Kanye West put on a free concert for his homies at a location away from the lakeshore? That would draw the crime-doers away from the shore, yes?
we just need to post a sign that says, no black people allowed on the beach.
America throws all of it's money and resources into the war. Meanwhile the upper class walls itself off from the rest of the peasants.
Next year's budget allocates $159,000,000,000 to "contingency operations," to perpetuate the occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq. That’s enough money to eliminate federal income taxes for the first $35,000 of every American's income each year, and beyond that, leave over $15 billion that would cut the deficit.
I grew up in Chicago and spent the greater part of my youth hanging out in this part of the lakefront in the 70's. News flash, it was violent back then too. I've seen all sorts of fights and other illegal activity down there. People who actually grew up in the city know how to deal with everyday urban life. It's the people who flock in from the suburbs or the corn belt that don't have a clue about navigating life in a real city.
Born in the 60s wrote:
I grew up in Chicago and spent the greater part of my youth hanging out in this part of the lakefront in the 70's. News flash, it was violent back then too. I've seen all sorts of fights and other illegal activity down there. People who actually grew up in the city know how to deal with everyday urban life. It's the people who flock in from the suburbs or the corn belt that don't have a clue about navigating life in a real city.
Thanks. I'll carry an M-16 assault rifle with me on my next lakefront run to help me "navigate".
neb - it is a black problem, and that is precisely my point. A significant number of well intended black people - whether middle class or not - suffer greatly from the crimes committed mostly by a minority, yet sizable number of black men in their neighborhoods. It is folly to deny it, and is a huge problem for them in advancing their quality of life. And I would think, that if you are at all concerned about racism, you would concur with the notion that these kind of negative events only get real notice when people who live on the Gold Coast are affected. In any event, the problem won't get better denying reality, and neither will it improve without facing the difficult reality that black racism is in and of itself causing a huge amount of dysfunction. I say all of this with of course the realization that there are lots of black people who very responsible and not racist - but that's the point - they themselves are not getting the intrinsic rewards they should be obtaining. Eric Holder beseeches us not to be cowards on race - this kind of discourse is exactly what is required.
This is really unfortunate. I used to live quite close to North and Lakeshore. This was several years ago, but fortunately I only had one incident (I think that was more due to my typically running at 6:00am than anything else) where a particularly menacing looking scumbag with his friends shouted out "hey, look at this F#$%got". But there were other times when i was definitley nervous running through the North Ave tunnel.
These people are leeches on society. I'm sorry, but I don't give a shit if they grow up in a disadvantaged environment. That isn't an excuse to assault someone simply out for a run.
Things are only going to get worse as the weather gets warmer. Hopefully the cops will step it up and be out in full force.
I've consistently run on the lakeshore path (mostly between Museum Campus and 71st street) for the last five years, many (especially away from Hyde Park area) of the people I see are black and no one has ever given me trouble.
I find the overall tone of this thread somewhat disturbing.
UCStudent wrote:
I've consistently run on the lakeshore path (mostly between Museum Campus and 71st street) for the last five years, many (especially away from Hyde Park area) of the people I see are black and no one has ever given me trouble.
I find the overall tone of this thread somewhat disturbing.
I think your first paragraph is precisely why we're getting so much traffic on this thread. This is highly unusual. As with flying on September 12, 2001, now is probably the safest time to run around North Ave beach.
I highly doubt things will only get worse as the summer wears on, as some posters have said. Last summer there were some hoodlums running around mugging people in Lincoln Park. The cops came out, and that crap ended.
The thing about the beach is that it's completely free--not just ACCESSIBLE TO the public, but entry to the crowded areas, such as near Castaways, is completely unrestricted by any barrier.
The cops will clean this up--by all indications, they've already started doing so.
I personally don't find any of the shouts from random thugheads any more intimidating than running down frat row on a weekend night in any large college campus. Same with getting elbowed.
The city wasn't ready for it to be 90 degrees quite yet, so they didn't have their vice cops out at the beach yet. Usually there are cops crawling the beach, citing people for alcohol violations, disorderly conduct, etc. They'll be back. At least at North Ave.
Trust me pal, you would have really been disturbed if you were out there like I was.
I've never seen anything like that. It could have been much worse.
uncle b - face the facts wrote:
neb - it is a black problem, and that is precisely my point.
If hooliganism is purely a "black" problem than how do you explain the irish and italian gangs of the early 20th century? this is a social-economic problem. Yes, at this time in our history black people are the main group involved and affected - but, that doesn't have anything to do with their race - it has to do with their position. My father-in-law is black - he started life on a plantation in Mississippi picking cotton. Economically his life as a child wasn't much different than a slave - this is one freaking generation ago! His family eventually moved up and he got a college education - but, I don't understand how you can expect that blacks aren't going to be disapportionately represented in poor neighborhoods. They still get a crappy education. Many don't have positive experiences from parents saying - "hey, this is how I suceeded - you can do the same thing!" I'm not excusing anybody from acting like a jerk - but, it's pretty short sighted and shows no understanding of history if you think that no other ethnic group has gone through the same problems. And those ethnic groups didn't have black faces or the history of slavery.