Have you ever noticed how most races are won in this way?
Have you ever noticed how most races are won in this way?
Musiker wrote:
Rupp was sitting on the leaders for 20 laps, so how is that any different than what Chris did, except for a few extra laps of Rupp leading. What effing difference does it make?
It's funny, it seems like every 2 hours since the race Galen has apparently led about 30 seconds less of that race. Now he was sitting on them for 20 laps. Since he was behind chris for the last 2 I guess he only led 3 laps.
Watching the video galen takes the lead at 17:30 and I don't think they were running :50 second pace per lap so that is just a tad before 20 laps (sarcasm). In actuality Rupp was already on the rabbits side at 17:00 since he knew the rabbit was falling off so at that point Galen was engaged in the pace. This was at 15.5 laps.
The laps before Rupp leads were 65.9 and 66.4, then Rupp takes it and goes 64.4 & 64.8 and this is precisely when Bairu drops. In the next several laps both Salel and Chelanga lose contact and nearly fall out of the race despite not having to do any leading.
I really don't understand how you can discount the load that Rupp carried for almost exactly 8 minutes of the race? An incidentally it was exactly that point in any race of a record attempt where the hopes for a record are lost. Fall off on the 3rd lap of a mile (happens all the time) and it's gone. 3rd 200 of an 800, record is gone. In a 5K it's roughly 3K to 4200 meters. In almost any race of record attempt this is the hardest part to keep it on pace and if you polled 100 elite distance runners they'd all say they would not want to be leading that point. Probably all of them would say they don't want to lead any of that part, let alone all of it. As the distance goes up the harder the task since your out there for that much longer grinding away, thinking that much more.
So king galen hasn't received an apology from solinsky on one knee yet? What has the world come too?
Musiker wrote:
Bill Bowerman lookin in wrote:Wow, you really don't get it. You have obviously never been remotely near the circumstance that Rupp was in Saturday.
Nobody leads the last lap or 800 when they are going all out, they are simply kicking. Please tell me you understand this.
Is this board largely made up of high school JV types?
Furthermore, WHERE Rupp led is where nobody wants to. Not in any 10K but in any fast 10K. Do you honestly not know why?
Lastly, just stop with the Solinsky helped him run faster. That is the opposite of helping someone run faster. What solinsky did is what makes the leaders fall apart at the end, and that is what Rupp did.
My dear god there are some inexperienced fools who post on here.
Never? No one who leads for the last 800 is EVER running their hardest... You have got to be kidding, race strategy is more than just who leads the most. If the guy is doing everything he can to hold on to the one in front and decides to unleash his fullest effort in the last two laps, you say there is no way he is running all out? You must know absolutely nothing about racing because it's a lot more complicated than that... douchebag.
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Having raced in the Stanford meets, having raced at multiple NCAA championships and having raced at both 5000 meters and 10000 meters, I can honestly say that I know how complicated running is.
Having read your posts now, I can say I doubt you actually do. I can also see that your reading comprehension is pretty dismal because the point that most are trying to make here regarding Rupp is NOT who won the race or broke 27:00 or to try to deny those things but to give CREDIT to a man who MADE IT ALL POSSIBLE, like Chris Solinsky himself did.
If you can't get this, than the douchebag term is all yours buddy. Chill out hater.
Wondering in the West wrote:
Why are Americans so caught up in "who is doing the work" and who is not? I think all runners are. And if Rupp didn't like the tactics, he could always speed up or slow down.
That's one thing I like about the Kenyans and Ethiopians, they're not caught up in who is doing this so-called work. Whenever a good mark is set by an American, the question of who is doing the work always is brought up. WTF?
I've watched Lindgren, Pre, Rono, Kimwoumbwa, Chapa, various Kenyans, Webb, Rupp, Solinsky, Teeg, etc., all race. Each time, each guy was "working" hard.
Such an American mantra on who is doing the work. The better question is who is doing the winning?
With all your watching, did you ever come across Komen doing all the work for Geb and Geb outkicking him to a world record? Komen didn't like it very much, I believe he never raced him again. I think it had something to do with, if you can sit on my WR pace you can help with it, or you can do it yourself without me next time. Last I checked Komen was not american and happens to own the two most elusive records to date that another couple non-americans have attacked on several occasions and come up short, the 3K and two mile. I guess without Komen to sit on and get the free ride they just couldn't do it.
you dont know much wrote:
With all your watching, did you ever come across Komen doing all the work for Geb and Geb outkicking him to a world record? Komen didn't like it very much, I believe he never raced him again. I think it had something to do with, if you can sit on my WR pace you can help with it, or you can do it yourself without me next time. Last I checked Komen was not american and happens to own the two most elusive records to date that another couple non-americans have attacked on several occasions and come up short, the 3K and two mile. I guess without Komen to sit on and get the free ride they just couldn't do it.
You need to learn the difference between speaking specifically and speaking in generalities.
4:25_9:45_15:39 wrote:
why does no one else see this??? galen would be the american record holder right now if solinsky had led for the first 23 laps.
someone please prove me wrong so i can be as excited as everyone else about solinksy being this fast. because after watching the stanford race i still think rupp is better.
Isn't this thread really about you? You're still angry that you never received a trophy for finishing in 7th place in the 50-yard dash in fourth grade.
you dont know much wrote:
With all your watching, did you ever come across Komen doing all the work for Geb and Geb outkicking him to a world record? Komen didn't like it very much, I believe he never raced him again. I think it had something to do with, if you can sit on my WR pace you can help with it, or you can do it yourself without me next time. Last I checked Komen was not american and happens to own the two most elusive records to date that another couple non-americans have attacked on several occasions and come up short, the 3K and two mile. I guess without Komen to sit on and get the free ride they just couldn't do it.
oh boy wrote:
You need to learn the difference between speaking specifically and speaking in generalities.
Yeah I'd say so. To believe these arguements we're supposed to compare Rupp to Komen, or more appropriately, Tergat in his famous 10,000 duels with Geb. In case none of the Rupp fans noticed- the guy finishing second to Geb (not fourth mind you), was beat by a step or two at the line- not 10 seconds back.
So Rupp couldn't lead the last 800 because he was already going all out?? How is this Solinsky's problem? So, what your saying is Solinsky should have let up so Galen could win? Please, stop it. Yes Rupp lead some tough laps but he isn't the first with inferior sprint speed to do so and lose the race. Talk to Brendan Foster, Martii Vaino, and anybody that Alberto Cova raced against. It isn't called racing by accident.
Bill Bowerman lookin in wrote:
Wow, you really don't get it. You have obviously never been remotely near the circumstance that Rupp was in Saturday.
Nobody leads the last lap or 800 when they are going all out, they are simply kicking. Please tell me you understand this.
Is this board largely made up of high school JV types?
Furthermore, WHERE Rupp led is where nobody wants to. Not in any 10K but in any fast 10K. Do you honestly not know why?
Lastly, just stop with the Solinsky helped him run faster. That is the opposite of helping someone run faster. What solinsky did is what makes the leaders fall apart at the end, and that is what Rupp did.
My dear god there are some inexperienced fools who post on here.
Haha, this thread is hillarious so many people resonding to others completely out of context and missing the point of what was said previously. It's like one of those rumors that people whisper from ear to ear and see how the story comes out 10 people down except somehow here it goes from the first person to the tenth in one response!
4:25_9:45_15:39 wrote:
why does no one else see this???
Does it suck knowing that your fastest mile time is slower than the average mile time of the new AR 10,000? You would be completly winded and wipped out at one mile and the group would go ahead and run 5.2 more at the same speed.
records 101 wrote:
Musiker wrote:Never? No one who leads for the last 800 is EVER running their hardest... You have got to be kidding, race strategy is more than just who leads the most. If the guy is doing everything he can to hold on to the one in front and decides to unleash his fullest effort in the last two laps, you say there is no way he is running all out? You must know absolutely nothing about racing because it's a lot more complicated than that... douchebag.
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Having raced in the Stanford meets, having raced at multiple NCAA championships and having raced at both 5000 meters and 10000 meters, I can honestly say that I know how complicated running is.
Having read your posts now, I can say I doubt you actually do. I can also see that your reading comprehension is pretty dismal because the point that most are trying to make here regarding Rupp is NOT who won the race or broke 27:00 or to try to deny those things but to give CREDIT to a man who MADE IT ALL POSSIBLE, like Chris Solinsky himself did.
If you can't get this, than the douchebag term is all yours buddy. Chill out hater.
All I said is that it's possible for someone to sprint and be running all out, and you're calling me dumb for that? Also, the fact that you think you can tell all about my running career from a post like that, says a lot about you. I have been at the front of many fast races, maybe not pro level, but I know what I'm talking about. Just a few weeks ago, I was in a race where I had pressed the pace the whole way and was gasping for air, but still ran the last 200 in 30 (it was a 5k) to pass a guy on the turn and put 2 seconds on him in the straight stretch. I collapsed at the end, and you're saying since I had a kick, there's no way I ran that all out? Well I guess if you're going to say that, then you would have to say that no one ever runs all out.