SOLINSKY NOT RUPP-CERTIFIED

Squonk-

Let me get this straight- a guy that sets up a race because he's in record shape is not expected to lead the race at all? Shouldn't he not have to lead until the final 100m?

Rupp didn't have to lead until 17:30 into the race, so that percentage was right around 65%. Then he got DESTROYED over the last 900m, which began at 24:50. So he lead for 27% of the the time during race. Wow. Unheard of, right?

Everyone in the NCAA from the past year (literally only the last year, since that's the only time Rupp actually ever won a title) were probably laughing their @sses off when Solinsky eased by.

oh come on wrote:

Squonk-

Let me get this straight- a guy that sets up a race because he's in record shape is not expected to lead the race at all? Shouldn't he not have to lead until the final 100m?

Rupp didn't have to lead until 17:30 into the race, so that percentage was right around 65%. Then he got DESTROYED over the last 900m, which began at 24:50. So he lead for 27% of the the time during race. Wow. Unheard of, right?

Everyone in the NCAA from the past year (literally only the last year, since that's the only time Rupp actually ever won a title) were probably laughing their @sses off when Solinsky eased by.

I don't think you seem to understand the argument of those of us who are crediting Rupp with contributing in a large way to the way this race played out. We're not talking an either or scenario here- we're not saying "F Solinsky, he ran like a punk and sat and kicked." Not at all the case- Solinsky ran a helluva race and absolutely dominated the last 800, earning every bit of that sub 27. My point is that, if you've ever run a 10k on the track at reasonable speeds/effort, then you know the toughest stretch by far is from mile 3.5 to 5- similar to that infamous 3rd lap of the mile. Rupp took over, was obviously chasing the record, and the other guys were content to draft off of him. Given the HUGE PRs set in that race, you think the pack would have had the confidence to keep up that pace if Rupp did not push the envelope for them? Maybe, maybe not. But he did it, and the results speak for themselves.

If you want to talk about indirect conributions to the record, I seriously doubt Payton would have had rabbits taking it out at AR pace if not for Rupp's presence.

All in all, I was impressed by Rupp's willingness to get after it. The kid ran hard and achieved his goal... but he wasn't the best man on that day. And Solinsky's run will go down as one of the all-time great American performances. Just great, great stuff all around.

Hey guys. Yeah, I'm the world record holder for 10000m. Just for the record, in my last WR (26:17), I took the lead at 5000m. Just saying. Great race last night though.

Squonk wrote:

Unfortunately for him he didn't drop the other three, who did nothing to share in the pacemaking.

thetruthofthematter wrote:

Maybe they would have tried to lead if it wasn't already crystal clear Rupp was going to win before the race even began.

Rupp has only himself and his camp to blame for that.

thetruthofthematter is totally right. The funny thing is that Chelanga out-Rupped Rupp. Good for him for not doing all of the work. Hilarious that Rupp fanboys have a problem with Rupp getting rolled when he actually tries to frontrun.

watched it myself in person wrote:

B) The energy Solinsky was able to save by doing absolutely no thinking or work the entire race until 900 to go.

You say that you have run a quality 10k, and you also say that clicking off 23 consecutive 65 second laps involves "no work"?

Please go try to do 4 right now, and report back to us, junior.

oh come on wrote:

Squonk-

Let me get this straight- a guy that sets up a race because he's in record shape is not expected to lead the race at all? Shouldn't he not have to lead until the final 100m?

Rupp didn't have to lead until 17:30 into the race, so that percentage was right around 65%. Then he got DESTROYED over the last 900m, which began at 24:50. So he lead for 27% of the the time during race. Wow. Unheard of, right?

Everyone in the NCAA from the past year (literally only the last year, since that's the only time Rupp actually ever won a title) were probably laughing their @sses off when Solinsky eased by.

POD

Francis L wrote:

Bottom line: Salazar's camp is Nike's darling, and Rupp is Nike's golden boy (perhaps rightfully so, given his accomplishments thus far). Salazar and Nike chose to hype this record attempt, transforming it into a one many show- including the Rupp noisemakers being passed out before the 10k. The fact that Solinsky did what he did was some of the sweetest poetic justice that I've ever seen, and you can bet your bottom dollar that Salazar did not sleep very well last night.

You have a problem with a sponsor promoting an obviously legitimate record attempt by one of their athletes?

Why is that an issue? I think anything that excites track fans (or...maybe...just maybe...ATTRACTS NEW ONES?) is a great idea.

watched it myself in person wrote:

Had anyone, Solinksy or the other 2, even helped out for a couple laps...

Solinsky did lead the pack for a couple of laps. The last two! Is it his fault no one liked the pace he set?!

i'm pretty sure it was Jager

rsbones wrote:

Solinsky did lead the pack for a couple of laps. The last two! Is it his fault no one liked the pace he set?!

A pace is a speed set to hold over a longer length of time ("long" is relative to the race). Running the final 2 laps in 58 second/lap is not the pace for a 10K. It is a kick at the end of the 10K.

rsbones wrote:

Solinsky did lead the pack for a couple of laps. The last two! Is it his fault no one liked the pace he set?!

heytheredelilah wrote:

A pace is a speed set to hold over a longer length of time ("long" is relative to the race). Running the final 2 laps in 58 second/lap is not the pace for a 10K. It is a kick at the end of the 10K.

Welcome to the concept of "the joke," heytheredelilah.

observer of observers wrote:

watched it myself in person wrote:

B) The energy Solinsky was able to save by doing absolutely no thinking or work the entire race until 900 to go.

You say that you have run a quality 10k, and you also say that clicking off 23 consecutive 65 second laps involves "no work"?

Please go try to do 4 right now, and report back to us, junior.

Forgetting your sarcasm, "Work" in a race where a time is the goal is done by the one establishing pace and leading. This is a hard concept?

It happens in cycling, cross country skiing etc.

What makes it even tougher in track racing is the pace setter can't simply race, but he has to think about time and splits every lap, so the longer the track race the bigger the burden.

If you don't understand this, you are amateur to the full extent of the meaning.

Some of you guys are forgetting this was Solinsky's DEBUT at 10,000m, and he said after the race he expected to run anywhere from 26:55 to 28:00 and that he was going in with the idea of treating it like a glorified tempo run. Rupp was the one who set out to break the AR with rabbits etc. Why would Rupp not be up front with the rabbits? Why would anyone expect Solinksy to do any work at all? He was just one of more than 25 guys in the race, a race that included such names as Anthony Famiglietti, Alistair Cragg, Tim Nelson, Sam Chelanga, Simon Bairu, and Bobby Curtis. I don't think anyone predicted Solinsky would be ahead of all of those guys.

Rupp was obviously disappointed and exhausted, and rightly so, but his behavior after the race did not show class of any sort. He just ran a big PR, under the old AR, and pulled several other guys to huge lifetime bests. It should have been a large communal celebration, one that included Rupp. Instead he was just going to walk off the track without saying anything but instead went over and mumbled "good job" or something before spinning a 180 and sulking off.

Great job to just about everyone in that race. Look at the top 9 times:

1 Chris Solinsky Nike/Kimbia 26:59.60

2 Daniel Salel Kenya 27:07.85

3 Sam Chelanga Liberty 27:08.39

4 Galen Rupp Nike 27:10.74

5 Simon Bairu Nike/Kimbia 27:23.63

6 Chris Thompson Otc 27:29.61

7 Tim Nelson Nike/Kimbia 27:31.56

8 Robert Curtis Melbourne Tr 27:33.38

Hats off to Chris though. Incredible race. Incredible incredible incredible.

Not shockingly, you have failed to address the obvious point that there is plenty of work in what Solinsky did.

Cripes, nobody got mad at Tergat for doing "no work" in his 99.9% paced 2003 WR...

Such names as BOBBY CURTIS?!

Come on now.

Also, you only posted 8 times.

Fully right that Rupp is a child, though.

jo ho wrote:

Just Watched the End wrote:

Rupp was bent over, sucking air forever, looking dazed when he did stand upright. The others had energy to spare from drafting off him.

That was pretty much what I thought also. Rupp was obviously tired, and disappointed I'm sure, after crossing the line. He stood there bent over for a minute before walking over to congratulate the winner. He was not ushered. Nothing wrong with what he did.

I was glad to see all of the runners celebrating like they did. I hate when guys just cross the line and drift off without at least shaking hands with the winner.

Dito! Of course Rupp was disappointed. He did the hard work, leading in the latter stages of the race, pushing the pace and ends up with 'just a pr' while another is the 'first white man to break 27' coming of his shoulder.

stanhope wrote:

Of course Rupp was disappointed. He did the hard work, leading in the latter stages of the race, pushing the pace and ends up with 'just a pr' while another is the 'first white man to break 27' coming of his shoulder.

No one did any more hard work than anyone else - except that Solinsky did 11 seconds harder work than did Rupp.

Had Solinsky not been in the race, then Rupp would probably not have bettered the previous AR, and maybe he would have gotten 6th place. Maybe this maybe that. Whine, cry, the Rupp supports are why people think Rupp is a wimp. Let him stand on his own merit instead of constantly trying to make excuses. He ran 27:10 which is a very good time, and should have been the fastest that he was able to run, leading or not. Why the blazes should someone else try to run Rupp's race for him - isn't he able to do it by himself.

Congratulations to CHRIS SOLINSKY - 26:59.6 AR

observer of observers wrote:

Not shockingly, you have failed to address the obvious point that there is plenty of work in what Solinsky did.

Cripes, nobody got mad at Tergat for doing "no work" in his 99.9% paced 2003 WR...

There seems to be a cognitive disconnect here. Maybe some posters are "mad" at Solinsky for not leading... I'm sure as hell not. I haven't interpreted other posters on here as feeling that way. I feel that some of us are simply pointing out that Rupp pushed the pace for the critical 1.5 miles after the rabbits and, in my opinion, had a large impact on the multiple huge PRs that were set. The way I see it is that Solinsky had enough left in the tank where he was going to to close sub 2:00 off of either 27 flat pace or 27:20 pace. Credit should go to Rupp for getting after it and towing the pack along. More credit should go to Solinsky for blowing the roof off of the race.

As for the Nike marketing situation, you just don't get it. The hype is all well and good for attention, garnering interest, etc... I'm not at all saying they shouldn't have done it. But I guarantee Salazar, etc. feel a bit foolish for trying to make it all about Rupp- when they clearly had other capable dogs in the fight (who were desrving of some publicity themselves).

Bottom line: great race all around. I hope Nike starts to give a bit more credit/promotion to the Schumacher guys. I hope this serves as a wakeup call to Rupp, that there are a number of other Americans who can run with him and are going to get after it in a major way. I hope this gives Solinsky and his training mates the confidence to start setting larger goals.

Rupp was bent over, sucking air forever, looking dazed when he did stand upright. The others had energy to spare from drafting off him.[/quote]

Rupp bent over and sucking? Well he's had plenty of practice at that! Amirite? Amirite?!?

But seriously, atta kid Chris! Just a nasty nasty race. Nice to see an american win, nice to see a guy with wheels win, nice to see a guy who doesn't look like he just got out of auschwitz win! WISCO!