weather not rupp-certified

alyosha wrote:

Rupp won't even win if he races at Hayward, friday or saturday. Matthew Kisorio got 6th at world cross in 2009 and has pr's of 13:02 in 5k and 27:15 in 10k. So how is Rupp favored to beat him?

Kisorio (and Ndaringu) are probably getting paid to run AR pace at the front for as long as he can and then step out of the way. That's what pacers do. If he can run sub-AR pace through the finish line and Rupp stays with him, so much the better. People keep confusing this with a race. It's not, it's a record attempt. Remember that Meb didn't win the race where he claimed the current record and Ritz didn't win the race when he got the 5000 m record.

well he's now officially in for stanford tomorrow.

As a coach I don;t understand this thinking. We will see if the yo-yo pays off. Could you imagine. We are not playing the football game because of the wind. No the pollen. Wait, yes we are running.

The poster who said Salazar never raced like this was right, so quit being a pussy with your athletes. Man up Rupp.

For those who think the record is soft, here's the American top ten list, note that there are only 6 American runners under 27:30 all-time. I have mixed feelings about Rupp looking for perfect conditions to go after the record, on the one hand it seems like taking some legitimacy out of the record if he gets it, on the other hand, he'll need perfect conditions to get it. Hell, 4:22 per mile pace for 6.2 miles is pretty astounding (and Bekele's record pace was a freaky 4:14)

1. 27:13.98 - Meb Keflezighi - Palo Alto (2001)

2. 27:16.99 - Abdi Abdirahman - Eugene (2008)

3. 27:20.56 - Mark Nenow - Brussels (1986)

4. 27:22.28 - Dathan Ritzenhein - Berlin (2009)

5. 27:25.61 - Alberto Salazar - Oslo (1982)

6. 27:29.16 - Craig Virgin - Paris (1980)

7. 27:31.34 - Todd Williams - Knoxville (1995)

8. 27:33.48 - Galen Rupp - Palo Alto (2007)

9. 27:33.93 - Alan Culpepper - Palo Alto (2001)

10. 27:34.72 - Alan Webb - Palo Alto (2006)

Mike in LA wrote:

And I'm sorry, but whoever claims to not know who Tim Tebow is needs to stop pleasuring himself to Running Times and get out there and pay attention to what else is going on in the sports world.

I don't know he is either, don't care, and don't read RT.

Nor Cal Runner wrote:

As a coach I don;t understand this thinking. We will see if the yo-yo pays off. Could you imagine. We are not playing the football game because of the wind. No the pollen. Wait, yes we are running.

The poster who said Salazar never raced like this was right, so quit being a pussy with your athletes. Man up Rupp.

Salazar burned his own ass too early and has admitted that and that he learned from it.

FYI, Lannana does this kind of thing with his runners all the time and it works like magic. The runners themselves often don't know up until the day before or day of which event they will run or if they'll run at all.

In cross country he has sometimes waited until the warm up is over to make a final call on some runners.

All the people guesitmating on letsrun about who would be on the oregon legs at penn relays even hours before the races had just as much of a guess as the duck runners themselves.

The point is, if the runners have complete faith in their coaches decision it not only works, but is the standard of success.

Rupp doesn't seem to get rattled by it in the least, he just goes out and delivers so I don't get the fuss from the gallery.

I wonder what his astrologer has to say.

Frank Booth wrote:

Salazar is bringing back and old Oregon tradition of setting up impromptu races. Bowerman and Dellinger didn't hesitate to do so for their runners dating back into the 1960s.

Yep.

We should all have coaches that care as thoroughly as Salazar.

As to all the negative nancy's here... How many of you have run anywhere near Rupp's times, or had a coach as accomplished as Salazar?

Didn't think so.

Get Real Real wrote:

Frank Booth wrote:

Salazar is bringing back and old Oregon tradition of setting up impromptu races. Bowerman and Dellinger didn't hesitate to do so for their runners dating back into the 1960s.

Yep.

We should all have coaches that care as thoroughly as Salazar.

As to all the negative nancy's here... How many of you have run anywhere near Rupp's times, or had a coach as accomplished as Salazar?

Didn't think so.

My guess is most of the "negative nancy's" on here, my guess is not only are they nowhere near Rupp in terms of talent, work ethic, performance, nerves and on and on, they are quite likely the opposite.

More likely they are guys who bust workouts and fall apart in races rarely showing up to the level they are capable of or where their workouts indicated. Guys who run a 14:00 5K for example at the stanford invite and run 14:30 by season end. In reality, they have no concept of what Rupp and Salazar are doing and what it takes.

POTD!

Right on, brother!

J.R. wrote:

I don't know he is either, don't care, and don't read RT.

you are everything that is wrong with runners. and you abbreviated the magazine name. get a life loser.

Rupp needs to have the confidence that he can break the world record despite any "bad" weather (cold in California?). Only when he has this confidence will he actually do it. I predict we'll hear about some allergies or illness that Rupp's been fighting through from Alberto.

Get Real Real wrote:

As to all the negative nancy's here... How many of you have run anywhere near Rupp's times, or had a coach as accomplished as Salazar?

Didn't think so.

Why does this idiotic line of "reasoning" keep rearing its ugly head around here?

Anybody can comment regardless of their PR. Try responding to posts you don't like with things reason, logic, evidence, and/or data, instead of attacking the writer.

Especially in this case, when nobody was questioning Rupp's talent or the quality of his training. (Kind of surprising, actually, but true.)

You also realize that, by your "logic", there would essentially be no sports journalism or commentary. I mean, why should we listen to Peter Gammons about baseball when he never played the game? (to pick one example of a zillion).

Weather in Eugene is quite good right now. There is little to no wind. High 50's...

I don't think it matters what your PR is, but nobody else has the consistency or nerve of Rupp in the U.S. at the elite or collegiate level, so to a certain extent what the hell do people have to back up their critique, they can't use others for example over Rupp so presumably they must think their experience is better or more qualified.

While PR's don't matter, it does matter the level at which one races. Pressure is simply different at Rupp's level than lower levels as well as the consequences of bad decisions. If you have no experience with that than really your opinion has to be discounted, not because you're a crappy runner but because you can't fully understand the circumstances.

People have been there or at least near there can relate better and that's a simple fact. Once again, Rupp's record is spotless when it comes to planning and execution so I don't see how there is any reason for criticism of Rupp of all people.

I would pay Rupp to run in holely soiled 2-undersized speedos. Anyone else ?

areujoking wrote:

J.R. wrote:

I don't know who he is either, don't care, and don't read RT.

you abbreviated the magazine name

Cry me a river, you whiny little crybaby.

He's trying to run fast, period. It makes perfect sense to wait for good conditions to go after a record, doesn't it? I mean, no one's going to complain if a race car driver postpones a land-speed record attempt, right? It's the same thing.

ah yeahhhh but I feel like going for the land speed record is not a sport. Its a "lets see how crazy fast i can make this vehicle" activity. Racing has to be part of running. At least I always thought so.

Man in Black wrote:

He's trying to run fast, period. It makes perfect sense to wait for good conditions to go after a record, doesn't it? I mean, no one's going to complain if a race car driver postpones a land-speed record attempt, right? It's the same thing.