[quote]Hank Chill wrote:
Stupid comparison. Everybody knows the africans called it a day once they saw the conditions.
[quote]think right wrote:
Haha, you're right we all know they called it a day. Kenyans love getting beat by Ethiopians at the world cross championships. I'm sure they just said, "aw heck I have a more important race for Kenya in ohh, maybe never, so I'll just shag this little world championship."
ItsTrue wrote:
Somebody mentioned that Trafeh has more talent than Ritz because he was born in Morocco. I tend to agree with the genetics argument. If Mo Trafeh was born with superior genetics, its only a matter of the right training and circumstances until he becomes an amazing runner. Look at the Kenyan national team. Some of those guys have been training for a year or two and already can come close to breaking 13 mins. Look at Daniel Komen... 19 years old and dominating the 1500 scene. Look at the world class sprinters. Theyre all big black men... Usain Bolt being the top of the top. Genes determine a LOT!
On top of that, I'm just glad Trafeh is on our side and I hope he continues to do the training he's doing because it's obviously working. This guy should write a book. He's self trained and performing amazingly. Don't tell my track group but I'd like to tailor my training to whatever he's doing. hahaha.
in horse racing blood lines are incredibly important. breed a thoroughbred to a short horse and repeat 10 times in future generations and you'll get lovable but slow horses every time.
strip away what the media and social leaders have told us to say and think. isn't this cross-bred horse line exactly what most Americans are like?
i think this genetic component of athletes (and others) is fantastically important and largely ignored by humans for socio-political reasons. a "pure-bred" moroccan or Kenyan or Ethiopian; conceived, birthed, raised, fed, nurtured in the appropriately suited environment... why wouldn't this produce super-ior athletes to cross-breeding?
i'm not saying it's all genetic. It's clearly not.
I have another thing to say. capitalistic culture and competitive distance running go hand-in-hand if runners make money. In America very few runners make money. why, oh why, would we have the world's best runners?
capitalism and capitalistic thinking also go hand in hand with cheating. why do we expect that our runners be clean? politics are all about money and power games and cheating under the table. so is big business. so is wall street. so is practically everything else! we praise whatever's great at the moment and ignore the ugly process.
why, why, why, would we expect our runners not to cheat?
that being said, it is fun to try to find the non-cheaters and those who are great without being obsessed with the outcome.
Are you 5 years old ? Judging my your belief that prednisone constitutes a anabolic androgenic steroid, I hope that you still haven't graduated from kindergarten. Have you ever seen somebody on prednisone ? They gain massive amounts of water and fat gain in their abdomen, and lose considerable muscle mass. Even worse, they get the classic 'moon face' which makes them look like the michelin man.Prednisone isn't a fu cking gray area nor is it an anabolic androgenic precursor you idiot and ain't going too account that amount in performance benefit that Ritz and others have achieved ! Andro is a completely different animal, it is considered an AAS.You think Mark McGuire hit all them home runs from Prednisone and not from Andro and other AAS as well as peptide hormones ?
E_Smith wrote:
"Prednisone is a synthetic corticosteroid drug that is particularly effective as an immunosuppressant, and affects virtually all of the immune system. It is used to treat certain inflammatory diseases and (at higher doses) cancers, but has significant adverse effects. It is usually taken orally but can be delivered by intramuscular injection or intravenous injection. It has a mainly glucocorticoid effect. Prednisone is a prodrug that is converted by the liver into prednisolone, which is the active drug and also a steroid."
since other pro-hormones like andro are illegal I would think that prednisone would be too. as a steroid precursor I don't see how it could be in the gray area.
Great post
10/10
oh and I am not being sarcastic !
chill the fu ck out. i never even heard of the stuff until I read this thread.
Ummm...ever hear of "Hybrid vigor"?
I saw Ritz in church one time. He had his bible in his hand. There is no way this American is on drugs.
I think you will find suspicion of Salazar's group and the big up swing in US running is rampant outside the US.
Not to mention three girls breaking 4:00 in one fvckin year.
Fans of running are way behind the times. Catching drug cheats is hard, and I believe only Cycling takes it serious (and it's rampant there still).
Fact is that by time the race comes around, the athletes are clean. EPO benefits last for weeks, and is basically untraceable within a couple hours of using it. In a one day race, or weekend event even, there is no need to risk taking more.
I like to point out the 2005 Tour de France. Of the top 10, 6 were eventually busted for doping (Basso, Ullrich, Vinokourov, Rasmussen, Mancebo, Landis). The winner is all but busted (Armstrong).
?? Landis was found to have epiT/test ratio out of balance in the 2006 race
Honestly,
Does anyone realize how useless this message board has become. I used to check it every day for useful information. Now there is none. These topics are not constructive and will probably undermine the credibility of letsrun over the long haul if somebody doesn't start posts with new and useful topics.
I am sad to be bombarded with the same old garbage. Good luck brojos. The board needs a makeover.
bold wrote:
?? Landis was found to have epiT/test ratio out of balance in the 2006 race
Which means he was a doper, and do you think that was the "first time" he ever did such a thing? None of the other guys were busted during the race either. Most were incredibly unlucky that a doctor in Spain got busted with bags of their blood frozen!