Lydiard Question

Lydiard does not advocate down weeks or rest days during his base building phases. He would say if you need a down week or rest day during basebuilding you are running too fast or you are not committed to the effort required. If you get very tired he says to run slower for a few days.

John, since you seem well versed in lydiard speak, what do you say he advocates? time or milage

200 miles a week?Come on dude.You must realize deep down that you aren't getting any true results from that kind of mileage.You must be one unconfident person to be doing that much because you lack speed.Back off some and get a life that doesn't revolve around just doing runs showering and being on this board.

dc449 wrote:

Alright, to get this time thing clear, he advocates something like a long run of 2-3 hours, 2 90 minute or so medium distance runes, and an hour+ the rest? Also, what did lydiard have to say about down weeks with lower mileage once every month or so?

He says you should do your runs easily enough so that you won't need them. There really are no rest days or down weeks unless you're sick or hurt.

you people just dont get it do you.

What for? wrote:

200 miles a week?Come on dude.You must realize deep down that you aren't getting any true results from that kind of mileage.You must be one unconfident person to be doing that much because you lack speed.Back off some and get a life that doesn't revolve around just doing runs showering and being on this board.

Don´t be so sure in your comments.

There was Two time european champion (1971 5000+10000m)

Juva Väätäinen who ran maximum 350km in a week in his basebuilding season. That´s about 218miles in a week.

He ran under 1.48 800m, under 49 400m. Last lap in the EC 10000m was about 53secs and he beated Jurgen Haase.

Anyone of you is free to make crazy things if you want.

In his early books he's says to use mileage

In his middle books he says to start out using time until you get in shape then switch to mileage

In his recent books he says to use time

My opinion: Unless you are exceptionally slow, you are splitting hairs by worrying whether to use mileage or time and totally missing the big picture. And if you are exceptionally slow, how likely are you going to be even attempting to run Lydiadesque type training? Because of the influence of most American coaches, more than half our top American runners are afraid to go over 80 miles per week, so I can imagine how fearful the back of the packers must be.

Base training for Lyidards later books

Mon- 45/60

Tues-60/90

Wen-45/60

Thurs-60/90

Fri-30

Sat90-150

Sun-45/60

Taken from ''running to the top'', and also Fitnesssports websight

As to running more then this, Lyidard makes it clear that running more is good, so long as you run this amount at near your best ''aerobic level''. So if someone can do this amount of running at there near best aerobic level, and then hit 100 or more miles a week. But I have to say that I think for most, that running more then 45-60 min more then this a day is going to start to cut in there bodys abilty to run that there near best aerobic levels.

Keep this in mind, in his books he says that his guys where running about 5:30 pace on there easyer day. These guys where all running at about 4:00 mile pace, or they where 4:00 miler's. So they where only running about 90 sec off there best mile pace on easy days. For a 4:30 mile runner this worksout to about 6:00 pace on most days wich is hard to do.

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