Originally, he wrote about it in his blog, but but I would guess he pulled that down after a small firestorm erupted on LetsRun immmediately after he did. Or was it a flocast?
Avocados Number wrote:
.... Consider, for example, the absence of a ban on using cortisone injections immediately before a competition (as Bernard Lagat did shortly before running the 5,000 meter final at this year's world championships). Although cortisone injections may be used to speed up healing by reducing inflammation, it seems clear that injections immediately before a competition are done specifically to allow the athlete to perform better while subjecting his already-injured tissue to more damage during competition.
if you had to win as a competitive athlete would you rather race someone 100% healthy or someone that needs a cortisone shot just before the race due to severe injury?
When speaking against performance enhancing I believe most people refer to performance that is beyond what you are capable of achieving clean and at 100% (since that is what all athletes should strive for for all top competitions).
performance enhancing that's only used in order to help you compete but compete at a lower level than you would without it if you were at 100% is not what most are against.
That's more like performance maintaining.
Just like it has been said before, over the counter drugs that you take to get thru minor injuries help you perform but I doubt they enhance your potential; which is why they are legal.
There is a difference between maintaining performance and enhancing performance.
As to the answer to the question I guess it all depends on how bad you want to win. However, I'd be willing to bet that most contenders felt they had a small edge over Lagat when hearing the news rather than the other way around.
estesrunner wrote:
I just had a PRP injection in my shoulder last Friday. I have a 75% tear of my supraspinatis tendon. I have been dealing with the pain and lack of mobility since last spring. Probably happened due to training for leadville 100mtb race. (lots of shoulder shock). Hurt after running 1 hour plus. I am really hopping this fixes it. If it is performance enhancing it will take weeks to months to still heal. As of 6 days post injection I still cannot lift my arm over my head. It is worse right now than pre injection. This is way better than going through surgery. At 57 years old I would much rather go through this than under the knife.
Incredible! I'm sure you are less than thrilled, but this is the first overuse injury to the arm I've ever heard of in the running world. Any of you other posters had an overuse injury to your arms or shoulders from running? I'd be intrigued.
Anyone who implies this is remotely similar in effect to blood doping demonstrates their ignorance of both procedures. Blood doping involves injecting blood into the bloodstream that has concentrated amounts of red blood cells, thereby artificially increasing the oxygen supply to muscle tissue and delaying the onset of fatigue. Performance gains are a direct result solely attributable to the procedure. On the other hand, blood platelet therapy involves injecting blood into connective tissue with insufficient capillaries to expedite the healing of injuries; its function is to enable the athlete to resume or continue pursuit of fitness gains through honest, legitimate training that would otherwise be prohibited by the tendon trauma. Any and all performance gains are the result of consistent training. It is a matter of performance enhancing versus performance enabling
Class dismissed
Ok, not to get into who is right or wrong, but if the thyroid gland is stimulated, it controls metabolism, so I think the thyroid kid was saying that a quicker metabolism can in fact clean the body of any toxin.
If an athlete is using this treatment with HGH or EPO, passing a drug test in 3-6 days after the drugs are taken would be a reality with the thyroid condition and treatment Galen Rupp is receiving. Everyone knows Nike has a mole at USADA, so there is always a call to Al Sal prior to testing, something like 24-36 hours. Money Talks, folks!
Masking may have been the wrong word, but the same effect happens, a clean urine sample.
How often do Salazar’s athletes get an injection of “vitamins”? Ask them, it is about three times a week, Sir. I have seen it myself and so have many others.
Oh, the East German's were using what became known synthetic HGH as early as 1972, so in doping, it really does not matter what was isolated in 1981. An early form of HGH was used by the German's in the Olympic Games in 1972 and possibly 1968 that was a hormone and steroid based precursor to HGH, so that would be where this person is going on the the orientation of the use. It may not have been in todays form, but the results were the same in 1972.
To be quite honest, if anyone on this board thinks Salazar was clean as an athlete, you are just F..ing Stupid. Anyone who knows anything knows that Athletics West paid the East German's for doping information, so who is the idiot now??
If Salazar was not a FOP (Friend of Phil Knight) he would have long been out of the sport for life and is USADA was around when he competed, he would be banned for life, so I guess NIKE can buy just about anything including the Canadian Documentary from 1999 that showed the prescriptions for Alberto written by the “Nike” doctor back in the early 70S. Phil or Nike purchased the documentary for 2 to 3 million US Dollars, another FACT here!
See the research below:
Because the thyroid is mainly responsible for metabolism, which is stimulated by exercise, enough physical strain might mean the thyroid loses its ability to slow down and speed up properly – which, for some athletes, means the development of a sluggish gland.
Fortunately, treatment for hypothyroidism is as simple as a daily dosage of thyroxine. That being said, it can take months for doctors to determine how much is enough – or too much. Too high a dosage can trigger hyperthyroidism, characterized by heavy sweating, shaking, weight loss and insomnia, and too low a dosage means you won’t be relieved of your original symptoms.
Hypothyroidism is treated with the levorotatory forms of thyroxine (L-T4) and triiodothyronine (L-T3). Both synthetic and animal-derived thyroid tablets are available and can be prescribed for patients in need of additional thyroid hormone. Thyroid hormone is taken daily, and doctors can monitor blood levels to help assure proper dosing. There are several different treatment protocols in
thyroid replacement therapy:
T4 Only
This treatment involves supplementation of levothyroxine alone, in a synthetic form. It is currently the standard treatment in mainstream medicine.[18]
T4 and T3 in Combination
This treatment protocol involves administering both synthetic L-T4 and L-T3 simultaneously in combination.[19]
Thyroxine, or 3,5,3\',5\'-tetraiodothyronine (often abbreviated as T4), a form of thyroid hormones is the major hormone secreted by the follicular cells of the thyroid gland. Thyroxine is synthesized via the iodination and covalent bonding of the phenyl portions of tyrosine residues found in an initial peptide, thyroglobulin, which is secreted into thyroid granules. These iodinated diphenyl compounds are cleaved from their peptide backbone upon being stimulated by thyroid stimulating hormone. More in the T3 and T4 section of thyroid.
The system of the thyroid hormones T3 and T4.[1]
T4 is transported in blood, with 99.95% of the secreted T4 being protein bound, principally to thyroxine-binding globulin (TBG), and, to a lesser extent, to transthyretin and serum albumin. T4 is involved in controlling the rate of metabolic processes in the body and influencing physical development. Administration of thyroxine has been shown to significantly increase the concentration of nerve growth factor in the brains of adult mice.[2]
Thyroxine is a prohormone and a reservoir for the active thyroid hormone triiodothyronine (T3) which is about four times more potent. T4 is converted in the tissues by deiodinases, including thyroid hormone iodine peroxidase (TPO), to T3. The \"D\" isomer is called \"Dextrothyroxine\"[3] and is used as a lipid modifying agent.[4] The half-life of thyroxine once released into the blood circulatory system is about 1 week.
The hormone was synthesised in 1927 by British chemists Charles Robert Harington and George Barger
Morocco Mole wrote:But it seems possible (I admit I don't know much about it) that PRP therapy could also speed recovery of the kind of minor muscular damage done by hard training. In other words, an athlete could use this therapy every couple of days to recover more quickly from ordinary training. After all, one of the effects that steroids have on endurance athletes is quicker recovery times.
I believe Tegenkamp used the therapy to treat a damage joint, which was legal then and legal now and not really a gray area.
26mi235 wrote:This seems to miss the point - you use the therapy when there is substantial restriction of normal healing because there is little healing/circulation in such sites. In the muscle there is lots of blood flow.
Geez this topic has lots of bozos, my default assumption is that all of these silly posts were trolls, but some where seem to believe their own speculation.
Lowell wrote:Similarly, it is definitely possible that a regular program of platelet injections, or cocktails of platelet-derived factors, could boost performance, as for example by boosting recovery during heavy training (which is/was a common motivation of ballplayers using steroids, indeed McGwire's open justification for using the now-banned steroid precursor androstenedione).
Teg cannot be justifiably doubted for his sub13 run,
26mi235 wrote:Nice, Lowell.
Hey, 26mi235, why the love for Lowell but I get called a bozo for saying much the same thing?
Good question. The bozos was not so much your comment, although a little bit, but mainly the crew jumping on this in the mode of the OP [probably the same troll who made a big deal of this last year]. The IM comment (my reply as to the reason to inject is the restricted flow and slower healing) is more of a nuance about not being the main point of the therapy, and not deserving of a bozo designation. I was mainly commenting on the material discussion in the first several paragraphs, not his comment about injecting it in to the muscles. I read it (quickly) as that comment was a sidelight and minor possibility and that the main thing is to use in a restricted area. I took your post as entirely about injecting into muscle. Also, I can back off the slightly exasperated comments, thanks for that reminder.
Morocco Mole wrote:
Morocco Mole wrote:But it seems possible (I admit I don't know much about it) that PRP therapy could also speed recovery of the kind of minor muscular damage done by hard training. In other words, an athlete could use this therapy every couple of days to recover more quickly from ordinary training. After all, one of the effects that steroids have on endurance athletes is quicker recovery times.I believe Tegenkamp used the therapy to treat a damage joint, which was legal then and legal now and not really a gray area.
26mi235 wrote:This seems to miss the point - you use the therapy when there is substantial restriction of normal healing because there is little healing/circulation in such sites. In the muscle there is lots of blood flow.
Geez this topic has lots of bozos, my default assumption is that all of these silly posts were trolls, but some where seem to believe their own speculation.
Lowell wrote:Similarly, it is definitely possible that a regular program of platelet injections, or cocktails of platelet-derived factors, could boost performance, as for example by boosting recovery during heavy training (which is/was a common motivation of ballplayers using steroids, indeed McGwire's open justification for using the now-banned steroid precursor androstenedione).
Teg cannot be justifiably doubted for his sub13 run,
26mi235 wrote:Nice, Lowell.
Hey, 26mi235, why the love for Lowell but I get called a bozo for saying much the same thing?
Based on your line of logic then...... it isn't wrong unless it was ban at the time the act was committed? With scientific advances it isn't possible for governing bodies to make rules before a new performance enhancing technique is out. If it was done for performance enhancement and as a shortcut to hard work then it is wrong "wheather" or not there was a rule on the books yet for it.
Fair enough. And I would (and did) acknowledge that I'm purely speculating about possible performance enhancing misuses of platelet therapy. I have no specialized physiological knowledge.
That said, I guess I'm still not willing to concede that my earlier post was stupid. It still seems possible to me that platelet therapy would improve training-related recovery by taking an already efficient recovery system (i.e. one having good blood flow) and boosting it x%.
And again, for the record, I agree completely that it's idiotic to say that the use of this treatment for a specific injury (i.e. how Tegenkamp used it) is any kind of misuse or performance enhancer. It's certainly not anything like blood doping. But whether it could be adapted into a PED is another question.
Mr. Obvious wrote:
I'm in favor of banning eye-patches.
You can't have my performance-enhancing eye patch! Yarr!
That said, I guess I'm still not willing to concede that my earlier post was stupid.
Let me clarify, I am saying that our comment was: "Not stupid; and I recant the implication if it was there".
I think the big point is that it aids the hard cases, not that it might be used for simple ones on a routine basis, but not that the latter notion is at all stupid (although it does not strike me as a natural place to go.
I agree with the third paragraph also.