Ritz breaks US 10 mile record...in a workout.

This might be even dumber than the threads arguing about triathlon courses being mis-measured.

I guess the point I was trying to make is that dopers come out of nowhere and do unreal things and then disappear just as quickly as they came. Ritz has been a specimen over a decade now. He ran 9:02 for two miles as a soph in high school. If, after he crushed everyone (Sage, Rohoatinzky, Teg? et al) his JUNIOR year at Foot Locker, I told you "this guy will someday run 59 min for a half marathon and 12:56 for 5k" you would have to say, "yeah, I can see that." Why all the mud slinging now?

-The Killer

quivlar wrote:27:11 10k pace for 10 miles in a workout doesn't sound unreasonable? I have no doubt he's in incredible shape, but an AR in a workout? I'm guessing the 10 miles was a little short.

The pace for his ten mile run was 4:30.3 or 27:59.x 10k pace. The 27:01 10k pace was for his 1600m intervals.

Twoinchkiller wrote:

Is EPO readily available in Rockford, MI?

Yes, any hospital in the U.S. has epo readily available.

Twoinchkiller wrote:

I can't stand Lagat but, I never believed he was on anything even AFTER his A sample was leaked a few years ago.

Then you're a bleeding idiot.

Thanks. And next time I'll think before posting.

of course I mean ROZwell... lest this jackarse fire darts because of the Rockford-Rockwell mistaken blend....

... forgot the DyeStat link. Read away.

I love it when these fan boys accuse bekele/geb of being on epo but ritz is 100% squeaky clean. I'm not saying that EITHER of these guys are dirty because I think they're all clean but their reasoning for suspecting bekele and geb while defending ritz is dumb to say the least. Yeah ritz had ungodly talent when he was a teen so he can't be dirty while bekele was pretty much dominating the world at the same age but he's dirty? Makes no sense.

who paced him, and was there for the workout

EPO has never been used guys like Ritz, Teg, Hall, Geb, Bekele, Lagat, etc. They're all too nice, moral, ethical people. Have you ever seen them in interviews? They would never use drugs.

Furthermore, they were all dominant at a young age, so it's only logical that they have progressed a bit in terms of endurance over the last few years, with better training, experience, and age.

ummm.... wrote:

I love it when these fan boys accuse bekele/geb of being on epo but ritz is 100% squeaky clean. I'm not saying that EITHER of these guys are dirty because I think they're all clean but their reasoning for suspecting bekele and geb while defending ritz is dumb to say the least. Yeah ritz had ungodly talent when he was a teen so he can't be dirty while bekele was pretty much dominating the world at the same age but he's dirty? Makes no sense.

As they say in the English hood......... SPOT ON, MOTHERF'R.

no one knows anything about that. the point is that he had years of injury problems, and maybe non-optimal training after being faster than teg, webb, hall, and sage in high school at distances over 2M (I'm going to say that webb with his unchallenged 8:45 indoor 2M and the 3:53 mile outdoors could have beaten Ritz in the deuce outdoors). He won two national xc crowns against tremendous talent. He was third at world junior xc, ahead of teg. He beat Hall for a national collegiate xc championship the year that Hall went on to run 13:16ish. He ran 13:27 at 19, which would have been an AJR until Fernandez's run at Nats this year, if Ritz were a couple days younger. So, for him to be a bit faster than Teg now doesn't imply drug use. He seems genuinely thrilled to be in such great shape, not at all the sullen drug using type that we have seen over and over again, whether from Ramzi or many others. That's hardly proof, but the early potential would stand to be realized by his current age.

here there wrote:

That's good, because typically after his next race, he'd tell the interviewer he was just training through the race.

Glad to see the haters out. Trying to talk the same old smack, but I think you're overlooking both his 6th at Worlds and his AR 5k, brutha.

jjjjjjjjj wrote:

He seems genuinely thrilled to be in such great shape, not at all the sullen drug using type that we have seen over and over again, whether from Ramzi or many others.

He smiles, therefore he's clean.

27:11 10k pace for 10 miles in a workout doesn't sound unreasonable? I have no doubt he's in incredible shape, but an AR in a workout? I'm guessing the 10 miles was a little short.

I don't think the 9x1600m and the 10 mile time trial were the same workout.

Gotta go with the lower case j's on this one, but I have to admit I'm still quite uncomfortable with the tent or house or whatever that allows sleep at 13,000' while training hard at sea level. Just seems like a bit of an unequitable advantage in an artificial environment.

haha agreed

First, I think that Mr. Ritzenheim is clean of banned substances. Mr. Salazar is probably doing some kind of micronutrient blood analysis of his athletes, which I do as well, and administering the appropriate LEGAL vitamin and mineral supplements based on the analysis.

Second, 45-something is definitely within the range of Mr. Ritzenheim for 10 miles. We've all had days like that, when just everything in the body is moving smoothly and effortlessly. Sub 60 is within the range of Mr. Ritzenheim, and I hope that he does well in Birmingham, but it's definitely not going to be an even-paced time trial like he did in Beaverton. He could win, or he could just get slammed in the last K and finish 10th. Anything is possible.

Jason