Ventolin, I actually agree with most of what you post. But let's take a look at the 3000. 10th place was 7:35. Look at winner Joseph Kiplimo. He ran 7:31. I know he's young, but his pb set this year was 13:09. That 3000 was not slow. I'm guessing that about 10 of the top 30 times for the year at 3000 occurred in Rieti. This is not an uneducated guess, and this tells me, whether it is a fast track or whatever, those were not adverse conditions these athletes experienced.
packing in the race was good, but look at the quality of the guys :
3 Edwin Cheruiyot Soi KEN 7:31.48 7
4 Abreham Cherkos ETH 7:31.81 6
6 Isaac Kiprono Songok KEN 7:32.57 4
7 Deresse Mekonnen ETH 7:32.93 3
8 Leonard Patrick Komon KEN 7:33.27 2
9 Mathew Kipkoech Kisorio KEN 7:34.29 1
11 Joseph Ebuya KEN 7:37.63 1
13 Augustine Kiprono Choge KEN 7:39.62
these are nearly all run <<13/3'48/3'29 guys
i was expecting a winning time of 7'26/7'27/7'28 with this class of field & no one woud bat an eyelid at that ( they shoudn't )
however you slice'n'dice it, the winning time was just not acceptable & you have to find a reason for it - same as the 3'33 & 4'01
Joseph Kiplimo 7:31.20 pb
Sammy Mutahi 7:31.41 pb
Edwin Soi 7:31.48 pb
Abreham Cherkos 7:31.81 pb
Silas Kipruot 7:32.25 pb
Isaac Songok 7:32.93 hasn't run this fast since 2006
Deresse Mekonnen 7:32.93 pb
Leonard Komon 7:33.27 pb
Mathew Kisorio 7:34.29 pb
Ventolin, when 8 of the first 9 finishers set pbs in a race, you can say what you want, but it is a stretch to say it was a slow race, or a race with adverse conditions.
There is something special about the track in Rieti, whether
it is the trees providing extra oxygen or a short track.
It should be investigated and an asterisk added to the results.
only a retard woud suggest <<13 guys have performed well with a bucket of 7'31/7'32 presented
i suggest you look up
put in 12'55 - 13'00
& see what 3'28 - 3'34 suggests for their 3k...
Ventolin, you aren't very smart, so you resort to personal attacks.
8 of 9 top finishers sets personal bests and you say it is not good. NONE of these guys have shown they can run 3:28. You must be the dumbest guy on here.
Drinking again, Ventolin? Have another drink, and then play with your little wabbit.
moron
i gave a range of 3'28 - 3'34
have NONE of these guys shown they can't run in that range ???
as for upper end of ranges, choge ran 3'29 this year & songok has run 12'48 & 3'30 prior to that before giving up 1500
if you want to "learn", i've posted link where 7'20.67 of effort will make you ~ bbc tv commentator insight
You really are stupid, no wonder Track and Field News bans you, you dumb shit.
Listen, NONE of these guys have ever broken 3:30. I'm not including Choge, he had a bad day moron.
FIVE of the top nine have never broken 13 minutes. So your range shows you are a numbskull. Go to dyestat or somewhere where your IQ will be on par with other posters.
ventolin^2 wrote:
packing in the race was good, but look at the quality of the guys :
3 Edwin Cheruiyot Soi KEN 7:31.48 7
4 Abreham Cherkos ETH 7:31.81 6
6 Isaac Kiprono Songok KEN 7:32.57 4
7 Deresse Mekonnen ETH 7:32.93 3
8 Leonard Patrick Komon KEN 7:33.27 2
9 Mathew Kipkoech Kisorio KEN 7:34.29 1
11 Joseph Ebuya KEN 7:37.63 1
13 Augustine Kiprono Choge KEN 7:39.62
these are nearly all run <<13/3'48/3'29 guys
i was expecting a winning time of 7'26/7'27/7'28 with this class of field & no one woud bat an eyelid at that ( they shoudn't )
however you slice'n'dice it, the winning time was just not acceptable & you have to find a reason for it - same as the 3'33 & 4'01
You list 8 guys with 3:28/3:49 ability. Rubbish! Only 2 of these athletes have broken 3:32 for 1500m (Choge - who came 13th) and Songok (3:30.99). Only Mekonnen has run under 3:49 (just, at 3:48.95). Stop exaggerating!
MAPIV is completely on the money. You should stop trying to fit everyone into your formula. Only you were expecting a time of 7:26 - 7:28. Everyone else with an iota of practicality would consider 7:31 to be a thoroughly fast result for these guys, many of whom set PBs.
Got my 8 and 9 round the wrong way, but the point remains the same.
epopians wrote:
ventolin^2 wrote:packing in the race was good, but look at the quality of the guys :
3 Edwin Cheruiyot Soi KEN 7:31.48 7
4 Abreham Cherkos ETH 7:31.81 6
6 Isaac Kiprono Songok KEN 7:32.57 4
7 Deresse Mekonnen ETH 7:32.93 3
8 Leonard Patrick Komon KEN 7:33.27 2
9 Mathew Kipkoech Kisorio KEN 7:34.29 1
11 Joseph Ebuya KEN 7:37.63 1
13 Augustine Kiprono Choge KEN 7:39.62
these are nearly all run <<13/3'48/3'29 guys
i was expecting a winning time of 7'26/7'27/7'28 with this class of field & no one woud bat an eyelid at that ( they shoudn't )
however you slice'n'dice it, the winning time was just not acceptable & you have to find a reason for it - same as the 3'33 & 4'01
You list 8 guys who you say have 3:29/3:48 ability. Rubbish! Only 2 of these athletes have broken 3:32 for 1500m (Choge - who came 13th) and Songok (3:30.99). Only Mekonnen has run under 3:49 (just, at 3:48.95). Stop exaggerating!
MAPIV is completely on the money. You should stop trying to fit everyone into your formula. Only you were expecting a time of 7:26 - 7:28. Everyone else with an iota of practicality would consider 7:31 to be a thoroughly fast result for these guys, many of whom set PBs.
MAPIV wrote:
You really are stupid, no wonder Track and Field News bans you, you dumb shit.
Listen, NONE of these guys have ever broken 3:30. I'm not including Choge, he had a bad day moron
absolute idiot
he ran 3'29.47 in berlin...
ventolin^2 wrote:
MAPIV wrote:You really are stupid, no wonder Track and Field News bans you, you dumb shit.
Listen, NONE of these guys have ever broken 3:30. I'm not including Choge, he had a bad day moron
absolute idiot
he ran 3'29.47 in berlin...
You're the idiot! You just read what you want from a post and ignore everything else. His comment already acknowledges that Choge has run under 3:30. That's what "I'm not including Choge, he had a bad day..." means.
epopians wrote:You list 8 guys who you say have 3:29/3:48 ability. Rubbish! Only 2 of these athletes have broken 3:32 for 1500m (Choge - who came 13th) and Songok (3:30.99). Only Mekonnen has run under 3:49 (just, at 3:48.95). Stop exaggerating!
moron
i said 3'28 - 3'34
try
http://www.jundo.co.uk/3'34 with 13'00, 12'59, 12'58...12'55
MAPIV is completely on the money. You should stop trying to fit everyone into your formula. Only you were expecting a time of 7:26 - 7:28. Everyone else with an iota of practicality would consider 7:31 to be a thoroughly fast result for these guys, many of whom set PBs.
you have to be big time retard to believe this...
moron
i included choge originally
Yeah, Ventolin, I guess you need to take remedial reading lessons. Epopians hopefully has taught you that maybe you should read everything twice before you manifest further ignorance, you idiot.
Here's another lesson. Not only do you plug in personal bests into your jundo crap, which itself would lead to erroneous predictions because a personal best is not expected every time out, but you often plug in times that you have ARBITRARILY decide the athlete is capable of.
As I tried to get through your thick skull, when you have 8 of the first 9 setting personal bests, and the other one a seasonal best, it is not only not a slow race, it is a FAST race, you moron.
MAPIV wrote:
Ventolin, I actually agree with most of what you post. ...
Then you are officially insane.
my god
i'm talking to a retard who thinks 7'31 is time to be proud of for <13 guys capable of 3'28 - 3'34
kindly f*** off or learn something from link
you offer nothing otherwise
Listen, he makes sense 51 percent of the time. The other 49 percent of the time, he sounds like he's either got alzheimer's, he's drunk, or he's been eating poisonous wabbit.
MAPIV wrote:
Ventolin....you must be the dumbest guy on here.
Drinking again, Ventolin? Have another drink, and then play with your little wabbit.
Aha!! See what I mean?! NOW you've come to your senses. But how on earth did you ever "agree with most of what ventolin wrote" before?
MAPIV wrote:
You really are stupid, no wonder Track and Field News bans you, you dumb shit.
Listen, NONE of these guys have ever broken 3:30. I'm not including Choge, he had a bad day moron.
FIVE of the top nine have never broken 13 minutes. So your range shows you are a numbskull. Go to dyestat or somewhere where your IQ will be on par with other posters.
YES!!
MAPIV wrote:
Yeah, Ventolin, I guess you need to take remedial reading lessons. Epopians hopefully has taught you that maybe you should read everything twice before you manifest further ignorance, you idiot.
Here's another lesson. Not only do you plug in personal bests into your jundo crap, which itself would lead to erroneous predictions because a personal best is not expected every time out, but you often plug in times that you have ARBITRARILY decide the athlete is capable of.
As I tried to get through your thick skull, when you have 8 of the first 9 setting personal bests, and the other one a seasonal best, it is not only not a slow race, it is a FAST race, you moron.
OH YEAH!! See, I told you were 'insane' for ever agreeing with that clown for even one second.
Ventolin, checkmate, I am used to your limp dick arguments. I can always tell when you're losing because you have to resort to ad hominem attacks. That is when you've folded. Now it is time to say uncle.
NONE of these guys have run 3:28. MOST of the top nine finishers have never broken 13. Yet you insist on plugging in your fantasy numbers. Get in touch with reality before you post again, you ignoramus.