Yes, of course all that needs to be done ASAP. However, the root of the problem is that U.S. corporations bribe and otherwise intimidate Congress so that the corps. can continue to run their game overseas. Until we get true campaign finance report, its all just going to be window dressing. Teddy Roosevelt had a law passed in 1907 which makes "contributions" by corporations to politicians illegal. I think its still on the books but of course, not enforced. Thats something to look into.
It's easy to talk and act like Napolean deciding on your own what's good for Afgahnistan and Iraq. But can you back it up ? Yup, if you promote war then back it up, dude, else you are a pussy. That's how it is. How many yahoos do you hear yap and yap about payback and Arab hatred, yet don't join up. It's so phony I'm sick of it all.
Cheney and Bush are very far from being my personal Messiah(s), but nice job leaping to conclusions - at least your name is fitting.
Now, how 'bout you confront that seething anger and hypocrisy of yours and level your sights on our current president?
Tell us, how dumb do you feel now after being duped into pulling the lever for this guy because you actually believed he'd bring our troops home?
Let me guess, in your mind this still isn't Obama's economy either - right?
Exactly. The root of the problem is what we need to get down to. 9-11 was a response to Bush's one sided approach to the atrocities in Palestine. Clinton had earlier straddled the fence. Bush took one side and refused to negotiate with all parties involved. That was taken as an act of war and 9-11 occurred. The U.S. must terminate the Occupation of Palestine and release all 12,000,000 Paltestian prisoners from incarceration. The Palestinians must have 100% access to all of Palestine. The lands stolen by the Zionist Invaders in the 1940's must be returned. Unless these conditions are met, generation after generation of kids will continue the war of liberation in the Middle East.
Kabul Here We Come wrote:
Cheney and Bush are very far from being my personal Messiah(s), but nice job leaping to conclusions - at least your name is fitting.
Now, how 'bout you confront that seething anger and hypocrisy of yours and level your sights on our current president?
Tell us, how dumb do you feel now after being duped into pulling the lever for this guy because you actually believed he'd bring our troops home?
Let me guess, in your mind this still isn't Obama's economy either - right?
first of all dumbshit, I don't vote on one issue alone. And I'M MATURE AND SMART ENOUGH to realize big shit don't happen in a few months.....this war will end....and f*** no it isn't his economy....an economy does not destruct or get turned around in a short time - years, years in the making......
so if you want to believe that the war and the economy are like your Runner's World 3 month marathon training plan, then go ahead because you are apparantly very young or very stupid or a combination of the two...and obviously quite annoying as well as naive.
you called him the messiah, not I, I'm not stupid enough to call any human a messiah..........
Root of 9-11 wrote:
The root of the problem is what we need to get down to. 9-11 was a response to Bush's one sided approach to the atrocities in Palestine.
If you ignore the fact that AQ was planning Sept 11 long before Bush got to office and if you ignore the fact that AQ originally claimed their main beef was with the infidel boots in the Holy Land of Saudi Arabia, then yes, you might just be corrent.
The lands stolen by the Zionist Invaders in the 1940's must be returned.
Sure, if you ignore the land that the Jews legally purchased or the land that the Palestinian nation of Jordan and the Arab nation of Egypt gave up without any further claim to, then you might have a case to argue.
How's that blind, ignorant, seething bigotry thing working out for you these days?
Cut out the Zionist b.s. Even 40% of Israel doesn't believe in the Zionist dream of an pure Jewish apartheid/racist state that locks up 10,000,000 Palestinians in West Bank/Gaza death camps and concentration camps. All current inhabitants of Palestine and Israel will have to be merged into one political state eventually since all side essentially have the make the same e claims and same duplicitous arguments for the same territories. Sure, a Zionist State, a Druze State, a Zorastrain State, a Christian State, and a Islamic State cannot co-exist, but Zionism, Zorastrianisnm, Druze-ism (or whatever they call it), Christianity, and Islam can co-exist and does in the U.S., U.K, France, Turkey, Germany, etc. It won't be like Yugoslavia where the sides all agreed to part ways and setup shop in their own seperate cities and valleys.
Mr. Obvious wrote:
I'm pretty sure 57% of Americans (probably higher) cannot find Afghanistan on a map.
That includes George Bush.
Mr. Obvious wrote:
I'm pretty sure 57% of Americans (probably higher) cannot find Afghanistan on a map.
Most Americans who can find Afghanistan on a map are opposed to the war.
Wow, a lot of hatred going around on this little post.
First off, to the person who said, "I'm mature and smart enough...", if you are in fact mature, read some enlightening books so that you might expand your vocabulary. I've never met a mature person that started a conversation by saying hey dumbshit, or whatever it was.
Secondly, to the person advertising the Marine Corps, thanks, but no thanks, we're doing fine with the Marines that have already enlisted and commissioned. We hit our 202K (unlike any other service and their recruiting goals). I have yet to be graced with the opportunity to deploy to either Iraq or Afghanistan, but hopefully soon I will have the honor of fighting amongst the greatest sons and daughters our country has to offer.
Someone brought up the point about the "millions" of people that have died in Iraq and Afghanistan. Well, you can go ahead and group yourself with the uninformed masses you so kindly spoke of. "We" haven't killed millions of people, and the reason the media doesn't report about the people we kill, is that those are "bad" people. Personally, I would much rather know about the young men and women who so gallantly gave their lives for your freedom of speech than read or hear about the "millions" of people that are actively killing our troops and conducting genocide.
But hey, just my .02
one more thing...38% of statistics are made-up.
LT wrote:
Wow, a lot of hatred going around on this little post.
First off, to the person who said, "I'm mature and smart enough...", if you are in fact mature, read some enlightening books so that you might expand your vocabulary. I've never met a mature person that started a conversation by saying hey dumbshit, or whatever it was.
Someone brought up the point about the "millions" of people that have died in Iraq and Afghanistan. Well, you can go ahead and group yourself with the uninformed masses you so kindly spoke of. "We" haven't killed millions of people, and the reason the media doesn't report about the people we kill, is that those are "bad" people. Personally, I would much rather know about the young men and women who so gallantly gave their lives for your freedom of speech than read or hear about the "millions" of people that are actively killing our troops and conducting genocide.
But hey, just my .02
hey .02
first of all, no one cares about "who you've met" and there isn't anything extraordinary about your vocabulary choices Hemingway.
they probably meant to say thousands and you jumped all over that, your explanation about who those thousands are is confined to the "bad" people (militants) and you've forgotten the countless (I'll spare you by not counting them, literally) innocent people that perish during every war....in addition to the lives actually recorded giving you TOO the chance to put in your priceless .02 worth.
Doin fine ? After 8 years we're losing and there's no end in sight. Uncle Barack is the Bush III we a dreaded.
Yep, Obama doesn't have the balls to pull out of the Middle East.
Chicken Hawk and Legally Blonde - you two are whackos and have to get a grip - go outside - breathe some fresh air - and exult in your freedom - you two are NUTS!
take a chill pill when breathing more normally - this room too crazy as it is - we don't need you two loonies making it worse
LT you are full of shit. We aren't talking about you, and your important self. It's the American kids who have been made to kill millions of their own Caucasian people in Afghanistan and Iraq that will be messed up for life, committing more murders in the U.S., beating their wives, molesting 11 year olds, turning into racist cops that beat Blacks on the street, etc. Not to mention the millions of their own Caucasian people in the Middle East they exterminated for absolutely no reason.
Constitutions and democratic governments cannot be installed by an outside force. They have to come from within the people themselves. Maybe we could apply pressure, such as reducing aid sent to countries that are blowing the crap out of each other with the promise to resume aid once they reach a peaceful solution, but you can't just say "Here, write your own constitution and it has to be like this." Just doesn't work that way.
That's where leadership, purges and exile come into play. Certainly there are numerous examples of a single race of people with a shard heritage split by various religions co-existing in the same exact locale on the planet earth. Your town in the U.S.A. for example. The 15 or 16 million folks in Palesine/Israel will just have to grow up and join the 21st C. and trudge along like the rest of us have to They can't hide, there's no trees, no forest, nor mountains. And they all look identical. The Israeli government makes everyone carry an racist identity card like which identifies the religion/group. It's like China, Russia, Nazi Germany, South Africa, with serious repression, a crack pot regime, with plenty of psycho religious nuts over there now.
legally blonde - it breaks my heart the way you defame my particular choice of vocabulary. I was merely pointing out the fact that a person that reacts so harshly by stating that he was "MATURE", immediately after calling someone a dumbshit, is likely immature.
Full of shit - I am most assuredly not important, well, hopefully to my wife and family, but definitely not in the grand scheme of things. I assume by your killing millions statement that you are talking about members of the armed forces. If that is so, no one forced any member of the armed forces to join. It is a completely voluntary service. I'm incredibly confused about your Caucasian comment. If you were talking about white people, i'm even more confused. Now, if you were talking about the people of the Caucasus, you're just geographically inept. You could possibly argue that the Russian invasion of Afghanistan was the killing of Caucasians, but that kind of takes the present war out of the picture. Now the fun part, I will finally assume that the murderous, raping, wife beating, child molesting people you speak of are those that come back home from war and are afflicted with PTSD. I cannot deny that, those incidents, however unfortunate, do happen. Just like everywhere else in the world, except for the fact that a ridiculously small percentage of those aforementioned incidents actually involve current or former members of the armed services. They're just the ones that are reported more by the media because we, especially Marines, are held to a much higher standard than the everyday citizen.
Pull Out today wrote:
We need a new plan that will last for decades.
I would immediately
1) Withdrawal all U.S., NATO troops, and collaborators from the Middle East
2) Terminate all covert CIA operations
3) End military funds for Israel, Iraq, Afghanistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Bahrain, Kurdistan, etc.
4) Close the Israeli Settlements in the West Bank
5) Dispatch U.S. Army Occupation forces to Palestine & Israel to stand down, disarm, dismantle, and discharge all combatants, heavy weapons, military command centers, nuclear arms, etc.
6) Convene a constitutional convention in Israel/Palestine and to form ONE non-secular state patterned after Turkey, United States, and other western countries.
7) Establish a Middle East Economic Development Zone with funds to establish $T in trade with the Middle East. The CEOs of Home Depot, Ford, We need a new plan that will last for decades.
I would immediately
1) Withdrawal all U.S., NATO troops, and collaborators from the Middle East
2) Terminate all covert CIA operations
3) End military funds for Israel, Iraq, Afghanistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Bahrain, Kurdistan, etc.
4) Close the Israeli Settlements in the West Bank
5) Dispatch U.S. Army Occupation forces to Palestine & Israel to stand down, disarm, dismantle, and discharge all combatants, heavy weapons, military command centers, nuclear arms, etc.
6) Convene a constitutional convention in Israel/Palestine and to form ONE non-secular state patterned after Turkey, United States, and other western countries.
7) Establish a Middle East Economic Development Zone with funds to establish $T in trade with the Middle East. The CEOs of Home Depot, Ford, Apple, HP, John Deer, etc. would be the main advisors.Apple, HP, John Deer, etc. would be the main advisors.
Why does number 4 sound exactly like our current problem?