Bolder Boulder elite results

Real nice. Proving you are more of a jerk than we already thought you were. Religious bigotry is sick in all it's forms.

I have a feeling a lot of people don't enjoy being around you.

Yes, religious whack jobs hate me with a passion when I tell them that I don't want to hear about Jesus. This is especially true of blond haired, blue eyed types of privilege, born to parents in an exclusive ski town, and Stanford educated - obviously, God does love them best.

I don't want any JWs knocking on my door, I don't want to hear about "Allah's will", or some washed up used car salesman selling Jesus to me on the tele.

Freedom of Religion, also implies freedom FROM religion.

In the discussion about Hall, I'm surprised nobody has brought up USATF XC champs. That day, Hall looked very average. He said afterwards how marathon training is very "hit-or-miss," and it's really hard to predict how you are going to feel on particular days. Anybody who has run 110-140 mpw to prepare for a marathon knows that this is true. There are weeks when you have an easy training load, you eat right, you get lots of sleep, you have a relatively low-stress week at work, then you show up at a road race and run like crap. Then there are other ones where you hit the high end of your volume range, you miss a lot of sleep, maybe you have to travel for business, but you come out to a road race and win.

Any marathon runner who feels good in all his workouts and races is doing something wrong. He's not training hard enough to achieve his marathoning potential.

And of all the times to feel bad, the worst time for that to happen to a marathoner is during an under-distance race, when he's already being forced to run at paces he's not totally comfortable with.

Being a marathon runner means just showing up to train every day and putting out the miles at anywhere from 4:50 to 6:30 pace (ok, for Hall those numbers are probably more like 4:30 and 5:40). Sometimes you feel great, sometimes you feel terrible, but you just keep going. That's what the marathon is all about. Just keeping going.

Ryan Hall is an incrediable athlete and will probably go down in history as one our greatest marathoners. And, I don't think his Boulder performance means a whole lot about what he will do in August, but you can't tell me that that finishing nearly two minutes behind 2nd tier Africans and 14th place overall is not a bad peformance for an athlete who dominated the USOT marathon and who finished 4th in one of the most competitive marathons ever.

It is not unAmerican or anti Ryan Hall to say he had a bad performance. Perhaps Hall is like KK and Baldini who have had bad performances a shorter distances during marathon training. But, either way, it was still a bad performance.

Btw - Boulder is not an insignificant race; I would say it is in the top 5 among world's greatest 10Ks.

As many have pointed out it was within 8 weeks of him running London. I think anyone who still fails to realize this is being a bit hyper-critical. How much of that 8 weeks was taken off? How many workouts has he done since then? It is still beyond me how people who follow the sport are missing this fact.

Go and read Shorter's autobiography on how he ran 51 minutes for a 10-miler in his build up. Even Lydiard talks about during his high-mileage phase you are going to be slower and not race well. So what do we call the phase 2 months after a 2:06 marathon?

Fact 30:07 at altitude is still a pretty good run, but clearly not Ryan Hall's best race...but why is it a poor performance given the time frame we are talking about? I guess I am more inclined to listen to Ryan himself about where he views his training and how he points out it is a GOOD START. I think this is a start to his build up in Beijing and maybe we should just leave it at that.

I hate to break it to you, Track Coach, but Bolder Boulder is nothing but a road race with lots of people. I know it may seem ridiculous to believe this particular truth, but it is just that - truth. Do you know where those Kenyans/Moroccans are going to be the next few weeks? Yes, at another big road race, Peachtree, Falmouth, etc. All these are big road races.

Bolder Boulder is without a doubt a very insignificant road race. In so far as it is a pay check along the way - yes, it's somewhat significant.

Remember, just because 40+ thousand people overpaid to participate, wave an American flag, run around in donkey costume - doesn't mean it's some rare event. It's a 10k road race with a bunch of people.

Drop the prize money and see how many top runners participate because it's such a wonderful, great 10k. How many locals, every day joggers would you get...probably 40+ thousand.

I will say this...it really gives the struggling Boulder economy a lift. Hate to see at town waste away, maybe they should put back their parking meters to 10PM instead of 8PM...

results are available through 30k finishers in the Citizen's Race at the http://results.active.com/pages/displayNonGru.jsp?rsID=64025&orgID=234624&pubID=2

maybe_? wrote:

Freedom of Religion, also implies freedom FROM religion.

Maybe don't listen

maybe_? wrote:

I don't want any JWs knocking on my door, I don't want to hear about "Allah's will", or some washed up used car salesman selling Jesus to me on the tele.

Maybe don't open the door, don't listen and change the channel

i wish you a swarm of JW's at your front door - how 'bout a Watchtower subscription?

This thread is Letsrun at its best--and yes, most idiotic.

I love it!

Far from world class, by best at Bolder Boulder was only 34:06 (8 tries maybe), but ran 32:11 at sea level. It's a tough course (cit race), and the elite course is probably harder with all those out & backs and climbs up to the stadium.

But nooo, altitude conversions are a bunch of hoo haa aren't they. And Torres sucks, and Hall sucks, and 28:32 to win? That sucks too!

(so says your average letsrun fool who's probably never run faster than 34 with the wind at their back, let alone stepped outside of their $12,000 altitude tent in moms's basement)

AK-50 wrote:

Far from world class, by best at Bolder Boulder was only 34:06 (8 tries maybe), but ran 32:11 at sea level. It's a tough course (cit race), and the elite course is probably harder with all those out & backs and climbs up to the stadium.

Speaking of foolishness and going off all half-cocked, the elite course was identical to the citizen's course this year.