So, how long does it take to correct his supposed dietary deficiency, anyway?
So, how long does it take to correct his supposed dietary deficiency, anyway?
STFU. wrote:
jaguar1 wrote:Ritz's coach admits to his diet problems going back to his time at Colorado.
Ritz's coach doesn't know shit about shit, including his alleged "diet problems going back to his time at Colorado".
How do you know?
You've got Ritz admitting to cutting calories, his history of injuries/illness starting at Colorado, his coach admitting on video it goes back to Colorado, the Gouchers admitting on video they had eating issues (and injuries) at Colorado, and an entire book about the program.... yet you're still in denial and call the applicability of the research specious and improbable. Where's YOUR evidence suggesting otherwise?
Ritz had enough of a sperm count to knock-up his wife, lack of testosterone doesn't appear to be an issue at all. As Sir Lance-alot offered, it might very well have been a nutrient deficiency, perhaps a deficiency in several nutrients/vitamins.
Testosterone could be low, but that doesn't mean there's no testosterone or no sperm. Furthermore, testosterone has more purposes in the body besides reproductive health, including the preservation of musculoskeletal health. Additionally, there was a previous article a few years ago saying Ritz had elevated cortisol (~stress hormone), which is catabolic to muscle/bone/immune system and suppresses the gonadal hormones (~estrogen in women, testosterone in men). So it's not just testosterone, but other hormones that directly affect musculoskeletal health.
It shouldn't ignored there could be other deficiencies. However, if you consider Ritz's coach knows him better than you or Sir-lance-alot, Hudson questions his energy levels, which refers to calories, NOT micronutrient deficiencies.
Avocados Number wrote:
(behind the great K. Bekele)
you might want to rephrase that to put it in perspective.
(very very very very far behind the great K. Bekele)
There was a post just before the XC champs in Boulder in Feb. Ritz had a supplement bottle in his hand and it turned out to be Zinc. Zinc is helpful for a variety of things 1) it helps out with the immune system and 2) helps to boost flagging testosterone levels - hence the Z in ZMA marketed by Balco. Things like ZMA are perfectly legit/legal and do work if you have a deficiency - but obviously, Balco/Conte used the ZMA as a cover for what he was really selling.
Anyhow - there is good circumstantial evidence that Ritz has some issues that may or may not be related to testosterone. I think that J1 has a valid point and this is a very astute observation.
Zinc is necessary to maintain normal serum testosterone. Inadequate zinc levels prevent the pituitary gland from releasing luteinizing and follicle stimulating hormones, which stimulate testosterone production.
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Zinc Improves Appetite
Levels of zinc in plasma were found to influence appetite and taste preference. Insufficient zinc has been linked to anorexia, which responds well to zinc replacement treatment.
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Zinc Deficiency Linked To Anorexia and Bulimia
A wide variety of health researchers, nutritionists and physicians are finding that zinc is a sustaining factor in abnormal eating behavior. Dr. Laurie Humphries of the University of Kentucky has found that while patients may develop eating disorders for psychological reasons, they are sustained and complicated by the zinc deficiency that results from decreased food intake.
Diminished Zinc levels may result in a diminished desire to eat because zinc is critical to the senses of taste and smell. In a 1994 summary publication appearing in the Journal for Medical Research, Dr. Alex Schauss reports that studies at Stanford, University of Kentucky, and University of California at Davis found most anorexics and many bulimics were zinc deficient. A five-year study showed an astounding 85 percent remission rate of anorexia nervosa in patients given a zinc supplement. Using zinc supplements resulted in weight gain, better body function, and improved mental outlook.
jaguar1 wrote:
You've got Ritz admitting to cutting calories,
Where? I've never seen this, reference a source.
his history of injuries/illness starting at Colorado,
Reference a source for the diagnosis of the cause of both the injuries and the illness.
his coach admitting on video it goes back to Colorado,
His coach "admitting"?? He wasn't his coach at Colorado and he's roundly considered to be unfit to be Ritz's coach now. He's also known to deflect any blame for his athlete's shortcomings.
the Gouchers admitting on video they had eating issues (and injuries) at Colorado,
What do the Gouchers have to do with Ritz? My extension of the logic you're trying to use here, the Torres brothers have an eating disorder, too.
and an entire book about the program....
As that program existed in 1998, years before Ritz showed up. If you take all that you know about CU just from that book, then you're both simplistic and naive.
yet you're still in denial and call the applicability of the research specious and improbable.
Denial? You're freaking ignorant!
Where's YOUR evidence suggesting otherwise?
I'm not making the case for "otherwise", I'm shooting holes in the case that you're trying to make with shoddy evidence. You've reduced yourself to the level of the typical Letsrun pot-shot artist. Too bad they don't award a PhD (piled higher & deeper) for that.
Ritz had enough of a sperm count to knock-up his wife, lack of testosterone doesn't appear to be an issue at all. As Sir Lance-alot offered, it might very well have been a nutrient deficiency, perhaps a deficiency in several nutrients/vitamins.
Testosterone could be low, but that doesn't mean there's no testosterone or no sperm. Furthermore, testosterone has more purposes in the body besides reproductive health, including the preservation of musculoskeletal health. Additionally, there was a previous article a few years ago saying Ritz had elevated cortisol (~stress hormone), which is catabolic to muscle/bone/immune system and suppresses the gonadal hormones (~estrogen in women, testosterone in men). So it's not just testosterone, but other hormones that directly affect musculoskeletal health.
Yeah, so where's your proof that his testosterone is probably low? Being a possibility does not make it a probability and is no reason to elevate and isolate it above and beyond any other possibility.
It shouldn't ignored there could be other deficiencies. However, if you consider Ritz's coach knows him better than you or Sir-lance-alot, Hudson questions his energy levels, which refers to calories, NOT micronutrient deficiencies.
You don't know much about Ritz's coach if you're willing to make that assumption. I don't know if your inability to read him is from inexperience or what, but there are definitely things that have gone over your head.
STFU. wrote:
jaguar1 wrote:You've got Ritz admitting to cutting calories,
Where? I've never seen this, reference a source.
Already have. Considering your quick response (6 min. past my second post), you must not be reading the links, reading the journal articles, or watching the videos, which truly shows YOUR ignorance of the topic at hand.
Again, I've provided enough evidence to explain possible mechanisms for his injuries/illness. I focused on the calorie issue, given the original post and recent videos with Ritz and his coach, not that there couldn't be other possible explanations. The only holes you've shot are holes in your own foot.
Unfortunately, Ritz strikes me as a "man without a distance," and you really can't pin the blame on Hudson for that, though I would agree that Ritz's post-collegiate improvement has been underwhelming. And while it is far too premature to speculate as to Ritz's capability in the marathon (2:14 at New York is a solid debut, even if expectations were higher and Ryan Hall set the bar rather high), I suspect that Ritz will not be able to handle the large volume required to compete at a world class level at that distance. And while he may be America's best hope at 10,000, I just can't really ever see him breaking 13:00 for the 5k, and that is probably the MINIMUM requirement anymore to have the raw tools to be competitive at the 10,000. Ritz may break the 10,000 AR and he may eventually get a sub-27:00, but by the time he does, there will be about 200 Africans under the age of 25 capable of doing the very same.
I just get the feeling that Ritz would be better off becoming a Pat Porter-type cross-country/road specialist who can make an Olympic team at the 10,000. Of course he has yet to prove his international prowess at world cross, but he is certainly competitive nationally at that venue and he has placed well in some international races. Plus, it seems like everytime that guy steps on the road after a long layoff, he can beat just about anyone. Road races from 10k to half-marathon may prove to be his bailiwick.
jaguar1 wrote:
Considering your quick response (6 min. past my second post),
Complete coincidence.
you must not be reading the links, reading the journal articles, or watching the videos, which truly shows YOUR ignorance of the topic at hand.
I'm not that into superfluous information. Summarize and if you have what I seek then respond with it. I haven't taken any issue with the studies you've linked to in vain. The issue is that you base your arguments on flawed perceptions in the first place. You have chosen poor sources of information upon which you've based your hypothesis. Garbage in = garbage out.
Again, I've provided enough evidence to explain possible mechanisms for his injuries/illness. I focused on the calorie issue, given the original post and recent videos with Ritz and his coach, not that there couldn't be other possible explanations. The only holes you've shot are holes in your own foot.
When you lean heavily on 'evidence' from what you read in RWTB and hear from Brad Hudson, that's an erroneous basis for what you're attempting to purport. That much is irrefutable and is your fatal flaw here. You may chase your tail if you desire, I'll just sit back and watch.
What is Mr. Ritz running in place of the Great North?
STFU. wrote:
I'm not that into superfluous information. Summarize and if you have what I seek then respond with it.... When you lean heavily on 'evidence' from what you read in RWTB and hear from Brad Hudson, that's an erroneous basis for what you're attempting to purport.
You must be too lazy to hear the words from the horse's mouth. I won't spoon feed you anymore. The irony of your username.
jaguar1 wrote:
You must be too lazy to hear the words from the horse's mouth. I won't spoon feed you anymore. The irony of your username.
That's the ticket, yeah. You still refuse to address the absurdity of basing an argument based on information you read in RWTB and claims made by Brad Hudson. "Horse's mouth"? When did Ritz suddenly become capable of diagnosing his diet deficiencies that show up in his bloodwork? You give the "horse" way too much credit, just like you do with Hudson and Lear's writing. It must be tough being a 20-something know-it-all, but I'm not at all uncomfortable in staking Sir Lance-alot's and/or my decades of adult experience in the sport (and in life) against that of an over-educated, cocksure young lady's.
Your ignorance is too blatant. Next time you may want to educate yourself a bit before you prematurely tell someone to STFU.
Yes girly, I'll leave the parting shot to you. I'm going to STFU and let you get the last word.
Thank you.;)
geodon wrote:
What is Mr. Ritz running in place of the Great North?
nothing until trials
that should be interesting
i'm sure this is all part of brad's plan to not medal - and the two are on course to not medal. thanks brad!
jaguar and STFU are fighting.
I love Colleen wrote:
jaguar and STFU are fighting.
Go girls!