Denver Colfax marathon long?

club runner wrote:

It's not. But it can be if people support it. Your attitude gives the impression that it is a waste of time.

CR: You should just realize that this old grump is just a clone of that troll crank ttc. Loves taking gratuitous potshots, but then acts completely baffled as to what he did wrong when people start to call him on it and has nothing to offer to help the sport. This guy thinks HE's John Wayne, or at least he wouldn't know a national level runner anymore if he thinks that Andy and Matt Downin (or Justin Young and Clint Wells) don't fit that bill. Fogies these days.

For those who are keeping score, I said that I hadn't SEEN any national-caliber runners mentioned in the results. Indeed, the coverage by the Denver Post, which sponsored the event, focused almost exclusively on the marathon, which was won by someone who (I believe he said) has never run under 2:45 for the distance. The half-marathon, as I recall, was dominated by a couple of Kenyans who ran unimpressive times. As for the relay, I believe that the Post had a photo of a runner in the relay, and a little article about Joanie Samuelson's participation, but that was about the extent of its relay coverage.

Of course, I would not say that Matt Downin fails to qualify as a national-caliber runner, any more than I would ridicule others in the races as mere "50-staters," "BQ hopefuls," and "one-and-dones" who participated in a "penguinfest" last weekend. (For that matter, I probably wouldn't characterize my interlocutor as a "old grump," a "clone" of a "troll crank," or a "fogy." But I might call him a jerk, assuming it fit the bill.)

A very solid club, but e

20 runners under 2:20 over an 18 year span is not as impressive as the accomplishments of the CURRENT

Hanson's crew. Did that group train together?

Avocados Number wrote:

For those who are keeping score, I said that I hadn't SEEN any national-caliber runners mentioned in the results. Indeed, the coverage by the Denver Post, which sponsored the event, focused almost exclusively on the marathon, which was won by someone who (I believe he said) has never run under 2:45 for the distance. The half-marathon, as I recall, was dominated by a couple of Kenyans who ran unimpressive times. As for the relay, I believe that the Post had a photo of a runner in the relay, and a little article about Joanie Samuelson's participation, but that was about the extent of its relay coverage.

So you're knowledge of the "national-caliber runners," that you're argueing were nonexistent, comes entirely from reading the Denver Post?

Same difference. But you clearly would (and did) ridicule Matt Downin (et alia) as failing to measure up to your standard of "national-caliber runner", by default. Try arming yourself with all of the facts next time before shooting your mouth off, maybe? I know that may not seem as fun to you.

So, in reality, your defense for your assessment is essentially that you're willfully ignorant. Awesome.

A very solid club, but e

20 runners under 2:20 over an 18 year span is not as impressive as the accomplishments of the CURRENT

Hanson's crew. Did that group train together?

You characterized this interlocutor as a nitwit. Don't pretend you're above the name-calling fray. "not organized by runners" pretty much destroyed everything you had to say.