Jen Toomey fired, Michael Toomey suspended from high school coaching.

Every time you post I laugh and call my wife into the room to show her why so many kids are like they are today.

Let me understan your logic. There is 2 ways to respond,

1. Cry to Daddy.

2. Shoot up the school

I can think of at least a dozen other ways to handle it and none of them would involve YOU dad. I am in no way defending hazing, simply pointing out how embarassingly overprotective you are being. You are aloud to be upset but it is your son's problem, not yours. Help your son to help himself.

ATHLETIC DIRECTOR wrote:

Boys will be boys and kids will be kids is not acceptable!

Hazing violates the rights of others! If any matter such as this came across my desk I would investigate the matter to its fullest. After the investigation of the matter was completed and I found the coach had knowledge of the incident and had not reported it, I would fire him!

School is an institution for learning with athletics added to enhance or develop a student athlete. Psychologically damaging a student interrupts learning and it would not be tollerated!!!!!!!

Hazing comes in many different shapes and forms. In this case it was assault. Maybe it wasn't hazing at all, just a couple of bullies picking on a smaller kid.

Would you fire a coach if the hazing was nothing more than a practical joke meant to embarrass the kid? I would hope not.

I don't know, Haji. AD used an awful lot of exclamation points in that post. Looks like he's pretty serious...

just reading this thread. the word is "allowed." sorry to interrupt. ok, continue. oh, and your argument blows. sorry...now you can continue.

I'm not sure if this is directed at me, but I can tell for certain that I am not posting under multiple names. Your son's crying to his parents doesn't make him a "man" if you want to play gender norms like that(you sound more like a feel good person that doesn't believe in such things). Men are supposed to be able handle shit, not go get mommy and daddy. What was he at the time of the incident, a college freshman? If this was normal hazing, he needs to learn to handle things himself. Parents aren't supposed to be at every beck and call at that age. Like I said, there is a clear difference between hazing and assault, so if he was actually attacked and not just picked on, none of what I say applies.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion on this subject but I think yours saddens me the most. "Every time you post I laugh and call my wife into the room to show her why so many kids are like they are today." It's really sad you and your wife think this is such a laughing matter.

After reading the hazed parents posts I have come up with these conclusions,

1. This kid obviously surfered something traumatic.

2. The kid tried to handle the conflict by removing himself from the situation.

3. A parent in touch with their kid notices something out of order (kid stopped participating in something he loved)

4. After being "outraged" over what happened to their kid, still had enough class to meet with the Principal and place the blame on the offenders only.

5. Parent did not try to have anyone fired!

6. Parent is working psychologically to help their kid so he won't feel the need to shoot up the school (reading is essential). Despite what you think... "Simply pointing out how embarassingly overprotective you are being"...this kid not only needs the help of his parent but the help of a professional depending on the haze or the assault.

I'm glad ("I can think of at least a dozen other ways to handle it and none of it would involve YOU Dad") you have more thoughts in your head besides the argument a parent running to aid their kid. If you felt you were wronged, by the law, you would get an attorney. Do you think this makes you less of an adult(man)? It shouldn't. You would just want your rights protected by someone who could represent you the best (attorney; parent).

I can see by your post you are married but it is hard for me to imagine you are a parent.

I'm going to ask everyone to follow the story closely. I do believe the parent stated they noticed something wrong because their kid quit the team. I don't recall the kid, "crying to his parents".

Hell, "Men are supposed to be able to handle shit", what does that mean?

The parent never posted what actually happend but used the word assault quite often. Hazing or not the kid was apparently wronged. I hope you never get,"assaulted". If you do please don't come crying to letsrun. By all means don't call law enforcement on your behalf. Take that shit like a man.

It wasn't directed at you per say but thanks for your spiritual insight.

I'm threw with the subject for now. Thanks lets run for the therapy.

It looks like the AD posted he would investigate.

I've said many times that there's a difference between hazing and assault, and if the kid was full on, legally, assaulted, that's a whole different story. The general conception is men should be able to handle hazing. I know plenty of guys that have and they joke about it...and don't speak of any ill will or desire to "attack" others because of it. Oh, and if you're looking for therapy on Letsrun, you're gonna come out a lot more messed up than you went in.

todays assault.

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