base mileage = no no for track

I'm sure that if the 430miler continues to train as he originally posted, keeping "long" runs to 20 minutes, he will continue to be who he is ... "the '4:30' miler.

cgsdg wrote:

my advice for the 430miler

i like your attitude...and you figured something out way before i did...base running is useless..just remember you are young, and you cant run elite times until your body matures...might take until you are 22-23. be pactient, have fun

good post, thank you for making me realize that my body hasnt matured/peak to its full physiological potential yet.

surely this doesnt mean i cant run hells bells right now, because running faster now will only increase my ablility when i am at the peaking age (22-23)

Mister Know It All wrote:

I'm sure that if the 430miler continues to train as he originally posted, keeping "long" runs to 20 minutes, he will continue to be who he is ... "the '4:30' miler.

please elaborate.

the 430miler advocates:

base mileage = no no for track

and the430miler has a problem maintaining pace (yeah, I know, it's the aggressive miler plate) in the second half of his mile races.

Coincidence? Nahhhhh...

430,

I'm changing your schedule for the rest of the week in an attempt to "confuse" your slow and fast twitch fibers.

Here is what I what you to do the rest of the week:

Today: easy 20 miles (NOT minutes)

Thursday: easy 15 miles

Friday: 12 miles with 6 @ tempo

Saturday: easy 15 miles

Sunday: 10 miles with 1 mile time trial

Coach B

I am now dumber for reading this entire thread and reading 430miler's posts.

the430miler wrote:

oh boy wrote:

You can't train your slow twitch muscle fibres without many hours of work per week.

well you can go train your slow twitch fibers whenever you're training to run a marathon.

slow twitch fibers are useless for the mile.

You don't know what you are talking about kid. Training the slow twitch fibres is essential for a miler. That's why I'm so much faster than you, because I train properly and you don't.

Coach B wrote:

430,

I'm changing your schedule for the rest of the week in an attempt to "confuse" your slow and fast twitch fibers.

Here is what I what you to do the rest of the week:

Today: easy 20 miles (NOT minutes)

Thursday: easy 15 miles

Friday: 12 miles with 6 @ tempo

Saturday: easy 15 miles

Sunday: 10 miles with 1 mile time trial

Coach B

Hahahaha... it doesn't get any better than this post! By the way, this topic is confusing the hell out of me, who understands the joke and who doesn't? I might have to go on a killing spree if all the people calling 430miler a dumbass are serious.

Coach B wrote:

430,

I'm changing your schedule for the rest of the week in an attempt to "confuse" your slow and fast twitch fibers.

Here is what I what you to do the rest of the week:

Today: easy 20 miles (NOT minutes)

Thursday: easy 15 miles

Friday: 12 miles with 6 @ tempo

Saturday: easy 15 miles

Sunday: 10 miles with 1 mile time trial

Coach B

i will due that as soon as i start training for the marathon later in life. well, no. i will actually try my own adaptation of tergats regimen.

but come on now man, seriously. you know im training for track right now. i want to go under 425.

by the way, you are not the coach B that i was referring to earlier in the thread. i was referring to (my coach) johnny bravo. aka coach B.

i will call him "Bravo" from now omn just so we dont get you and him confused.

Please listen to Coach B, he knows what he's talking about....and YES this will help you for the mile.

Something tells me the430miler will be runnin 430's for a loooooooong time.

RUNinginFL wrote:

I might have to go on a killing spree if all the people calling 430miler a dumbass are serious.

you seriously need to elaborate on this post.

so you dont agree with them calling me dumb-butt? well i dont either, becuase i fully believe in my own methods.

i have stated several times that personal experience is the best teacher.

i glad "got my back" in terms of not wanting them to call me names, but i believe the "spree" that you mentioned is a tad-bit harsh punishment.

im glad you're against hazing on this website, i dont like the namecalling either; but i believe it is due to people being so rapped up in their own methods of training that they cant except the fact that i have had more success in an alternate training regimen.

nose bandaid + bike tights could help you blaze to a PR. however runs over 9 miles are contra indicated by coach Bravo until your growth plates have fully developed

the430miler.. not everyone is high mileage.. but throwing 20 minute runs like that as recovery is just dumb.

now you say BASE MILEAGE is dumb?.. are you kidding me

the better base you have in the summer going into cross or spring track, the more the workload you can handle, the better your workouts are, the longer you can go in a race without hurting, the higher chance you have of not getting injured..

do you realize you can run phenomenal times just off base mileage too? I knew a kid who ran 9:02 indoors a few years back off of base mileage with a few tempo's fartlek's.. etc.

you have no clue what your talking about. When you start running fast, then you can come on here and rant about "peaking weekly" and all your awesome theories...

by reading your post.. I've just lost about 6.8 brain cells..

How old are you the430miler?

430miler,

I am the track and cross country coach for a well established DIII school in the North. I am well aware of your stellar record both on and off the track, but more importantly I see the passion and wisdom that your bring to the table. Our program has struggled for the last 12 years (finished dead last in 11 of 12, and 2nd to last the other year). I think you could provide a badly needed spark to our organization and I plan to offer you a full scholarship. I know you are probably getting lots of offers right now, but would you consider making a visit to our campus?

Coach W

He's old enough to know about training several dogs and supposably measuring their lifespan(sarcasm). He just wrote a big article in this other thread, i think it is the post of the year so far.

Poor 430miler. He's either a genius and pulled a great April Fool's Day prank, or he's an idiot, like has been stated...and stated. Anyway, I agree that adolescents shouldn't become mileage hogs, but to discount the overwhelmingly huge effect of aerobic training is pure ignorance and idiocy. The race is in the range of 85% aerobic, according to Vigil's latest data, so you might want to develop that system from time to time. Good luck, buddy.

People like you allow honest, hard-working kids who aren't as talented to finish higher. For that, I thank you. Stay ignorant.

CollegeRecruiter wrote:

430miler,

I am the track and cross country coach for a well established DIII school in the North. I am well aware of your stellar record both on and off the track, but more importantly I see the passion and wisdom that your bring to the table. Our program has struggled for the last 12 years (finished dead last in 11 of 12, and 2nd to last the other year). I think you could provide a badly needed spark to our organization and I plan to offer you a full scholarship. I know you are probably getting lots of offers right now, but would you consider making a visit to our campus?

Coach W

Come on. If you are trying to make this sound legit, you should know that DIII schools do not give athletic scholorships. No wonder you have a bad team, you don't know anything about it! ha

430miler, I respect your argument.

For the mile, you need both slow twitch AND fast twitch fibers, since it is a middle distance race.

I will suggest that you should boost your long run from 20 minutes up to about 60 minutes pre-season, and 40-60 during the actual track season.

Depending whether you do this consistently or not, you may crack 4:20 one day.