UNC cut's "All-American" 800 Runner...

No, walk-ons suck, and should join club teams.

Okadokay...nice post. If the "list" is accurate, it does have to reflect coaching to some extent. Every program does have its "failures," but with a list that long---it's hard to put that all on the atheletes without the coaches taking any responsibility. Coaching involves more than creating workouts---recruiting, motivating, working on team cohesiveness, etc., etc. All important aspects of coaching.

whether or not what was said about all those guys on the list is true, that is a heck of a lot of guys to have left any team for any reason in the last 3.5 years. period.

the coach at unc was a dick when he was receruiting me and i went else where. i wouldn't be surprised if thats why some left.

well wrote:

the coach at unc was a dick when he was receruiting me and i went else where.

Hahahaha, yeah right. "When he recruited you."

You mean when you walked up to him at a meet and begged him to give you a slot and he said no?

No one in their right mind would ever turn down a chance to go to UNC, that is the greatest school of all time, in every aspect of the word great.

Nice try.

Once again not one of you has claimed to have been on the track team, which was one of my main points. I have all the love in the world for my fellow alum but again the soccer and basketball programs are different from the track teams in ways not even imaginable. The point is I was on the team then and none of you were. I speak from experience and you guys don't have a clue. When you see these self-proclaimed high school all-stars come in and think they don't have to put in the work and can add in partying and bullshiting and then start to blame the program you too would take issue. Success and developement take hard work. NOWHERE is this more true than in track and field. Thought maybe some of you "runners" knew that.

Babies, I feel you on that comment baby, there is a large number of those guys that didn't train hard enough, or put in the time to ever run very fast... however, the coaches really are assholes, they run people into the ground, and they don't hold a candle other coaches at similar sized schools. I want someone to answer me this: How do small school with very limited resources (some do not even have a track to run on) and can barely bring in one male recruit a year beat,,, or better yet slaughter a team like UNC which is fully funded has all the facilities in the world, and is so popular that top athletes would pay them just for a chance to go to school there........coaching????

Nope, it is becasue of the walk-ons.

Send them back to club track.

Andrew Allden was the last coach to take the men's XC team to NCAAs. Let him coach again. He is considered a titan among coaches.

Latest facebook group for fellow UNC runners Laura Cummings and Clay Ragan to join:

$***!!!ImA bItCh DaT lOvE tO gEt HeR pUsSy AtE!!!***$

Description of group:

When a nigga workin dat tounge right, make u wanna give him he want. But 2 bad u 2 busy gettin what u want.

Post by Clay Ragan made on that group's message board:

"errrbody who anybody know that them good koochie lickaz reside in NC"

nuff said

Is this a joke?

gggggg wrote:

Is this a joke?

unfortunately, it is the truth

Is that you, Robertson?

I recognize the bad spelling.

Descension?

Tarheel4Life wrote:

Once again not one of you has claimed to have been on the track team, which was one of my main points. I have all the love in the world for my fellow alum but again the soccer and basketball programs are different from the track teams in ways not even imaginable. The point is I was on the team then and none of you were. I speak from experience and you guys don\'t have a clue. When you see these self-proclaimed high school all-stars come in and think they don\'t have to put in the work and can add in partying and bullshiting and then start to blame the program you too would take issue. Success and developement take hard work. NOWHERE is this more true than in track and field. Thought maybe some of you \"runners\" knew that.

Again...

Who gave these \"self proclaimed high school all-stars\" scholarship money? Who did not keep tabs on them when they started going down the wrong road. If you invest in anything for 4-5 years you should take some responsibility. If I am a stock broker and I keep picking crappy stocks, or only care about the female stocks, I would get fired. Good coaches don\'t blame athlete\'s they look in the mirror and ask what they did wrong. Runners can only look at themselves but when it happens repeatedly should we look at 25 individual athletes or should we look at the whole group and ask who is in charge of the team. If it was a business they would of been bankrupt a longtime ago.

Tarheel4Life,let me ask you this, After how many years of futility should we look at coaching, or is always the \"runners\"?

so is the 1.4 why she didnt race at ACC indoors...eh who cares bout her grades, shes hot.

i swear, clay ragan is an astronaut. he came to chapel hill in the fall of 2003, and simultaneously all the leaves turned brown and fell off the trees. as a matter of fact, i weighed 500 pounds and was washing my dishes in the bath tub. but you know what, i'm sure every single person posting on this thread has handled his ass-pennies. every day for the past 11 years clay has been sticking $30 in pennies up his ass. That's 3,000 pennies a day; 21,000 pennies a week; 1,092,000 pennies a year! To date that's 12,012,000 pennies, 8 times the population of Nebraska. Those pennies were in clay's ass! You think you're better than clay ragan? Oh, you're not better than clay ragan. You handle clay's ass pennies everyday. You pick up clay's ass pennies for good luck. You throw clay's ass pennies in fountains and make wishes on them. You give clay's ass pennies to your little daughter to buy gumballs with.

nuff said

I for a fact, can back this claim up... I looked into the bucket of truth after captain lunatic (PRONOUNCED LOO-NATIC) chased me and the unibomber into the sea of twirly swirly gumdrops. I know you all think, sure, not a big deal, i've handled clay's ass pennies, but then you think... i bought some skittles with change and then rubbed clay's poop all over my delicious snacks. think about that, kids.

weiner the peiner OUTTTTTTTTTTTT

Bennett, is that you?

Wow, I feel sorry for graduates of UNC if this is an example of the current crop of intelligent life form floating around their track and field teams. I ran with some men from UNC before, and they were intelligent, well-educated men. In fact,the vast majority of people I have ever met from UNC were professional, intelligent, outgoing, and bright. The example of moronic, idiotic, self-centered writing in this thread from current runners is sad, disheartening and might be indicative of why the program is having problems. The coach's biggest problem seems to be that he is giving scholarships to "times" and "performance" without looking at the whole athlete

Flava Flave! You're so money for listening baby. I know your situation is different. My thing is that I've never gone through life blaming other people for things unless there is good reason. Take a look at the list of people. If you know any of these people, which I know only about 2 of you do, you know the story. I would say flave, my fellow CT homeboy, and a few others had talent, a work ethic, mental toughness and all the other tools to be a great athlete. For these people I saw the difficulties in the coach-athlete relationship. Some things do need to happen with the program, their is no doubt. But when there are other people on that list who have permanent tabs open at players, inflated egos, and above all priority issues I license them not to blame others. When you are in your 40's and you're still blaming your coach for not ever becoming that olympic caliber athlete realize that we make who we are.Oh and okaydokay or whatever you name is, I don't know what school you went to but I'm not aware of any coaches that wipe your ass for you. College is about growing up, that's what most of these people should have done.