Pantman
FYI (and everybody else), I have no connection to Emily Pidgeon at all. However, the argumentation, obfuscation, and bullying, while staying well clear of any facts, was just TOO MUCH.
Also, I agree with most of your sentiments, but Pidgin english does not really give much hope for transparancy, or "light" of any kind... darkness seems to be prefered.
she is the one who goes out and trains hard every day so goodluck to her she can do what she wants, i hope she kicks ass!
Reading this thread makes the skin crawl.
Pidgin english is one scary individual, but the positive news is that it makes clear that UKA is a power-focused, and control-oriented organisation.
And like was pointed out by Sure;
"If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like duck..."
It just seems wrong that an athlete wants to prepare the way that seems best to them and their "team" and is told to prepare a different way by their governing body and is kicked off the team for not complying.
If they are good enough to be selected, then they should be selected.
If anyone is scary it's Farrow.
They are the ones that are ruining her chances of global junior medals. They were the ones who chose to pull her out of the World X. Like someone has already posted who knows what the future holds, what if her running career were to sadly end through injury, and she missed a major chance at winning a global medal. I'm sorry but who in their right mind as a Junior would give up the chance at such a prospect, other than one who is unfortunately being brain washed. As already has been posted what are they going to do when it cmoes to the Olympics and the same holding/trainng camp is to be used, will it still not be good enough for the team, will they stop her once again chasing what are surely her dreams??
Why is it - as already posted - no senior athlete has gone to join their camp? Why is it the biggest male star they had and showed huge potential, left? Why is it that there are no boys in the camp that are near to the girls standard, surely there are boys at the club?
Why was he accused of rape charges?
Why has UKA suspended his coaching pass?
Is the real reason she wont sign this contract the fact that she will not be able to call Farrow her coach as he is at the moment suspended, he therefore will only be able to be her Mentor?
If you were a head at a school and a male teacher applied for a job and had been accused of rape would your parents of your school be happy if you employed him?
Taking her medals away wrote:
If anyone is scary it's Farrow.
They are the ones that are ruining her chances of global junior medals. They were the ones who chose to pull her out of the World X. Like someone has already posted who knows what the future holds, what if her running career were to sadly end through injury, and she missed a major chance at winning a global medal. I'm sorry but who in their right mind as a Junior would give up the chance at such a prospect, other than one who is unfortunately being brain washed. As already has been posted what are they going to do when it cmoes to the Olympics and the same holding/trainng camp is to be used, will it still not be good enough for the team, will they stop her once again chasing what are surely her dreams??
So, you support the methods, arguments, etc. used by UKA/Pidgin english???
Sure wrote:
Pidgin english's argument for the UKA's contract boils down to; TRUST US, TRUST US, don't read the contract, don't worry, be happy, we're honest, HONEST.
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like duck, it probably is a DUCK.
The arguments used by Pidgin english are one's commonly used by scoundrels. If as Pidgin english fervently there is nothing to hide why act like there are things to hide? And why such a long contract, if not to cover details, that can only make a lawyer happy in a potential dispute (and I am not talking about the athlete's lawyer)?
Pidgin english does not really make UKA look very good. A lot of attacks, but very few answers.
Taking her medals away wrote:
I'm sorry but who in their right mind as a Junior would give up the chance at such a prospect, other than one who is unfortunately being brain washed.
What a stupid thing to say! The decision may or may not have been the right one; it may have made for any number of reasons. But it certainly shouldn't prompt the use of imflammatory words like "brainwashed".
Be a constructive part of the discussion if you can, but that kind of talk does nothing for your position.
Taking her medals away wrote:
As already has been posted what are they going to do when it cmoes to the Olympics and the same holding/trainng camp is to be used, will it still not be good enough for the team, will they stop her once again chasing what are surely her dreams??
I thought it was UKA that prevented her from going. Was it not their decision?
Pantman wrote:
Taking her medals away wrote:I'm sorry but who in their right mind as a Junior would give up the chance at such a prospect, other than one who is unfortunately being brain washed.
What a stupid thing to say! The decision may or may not have been the right one; it may have made for any number of reasons. But it certainly shouldn't prompt the use of imflammatory words like "brainwashed".
Be a constructive part of the discussion if you can, but that kind of talk does nothing for your position.
Taking her medals away wrote:
As already has been posted what are they going to do when it cmoes to the Olympics and the same holding/trainng camp is to be used, will it still not be good enough for the team, will they stop her once again chasing what are surely her dreams??
I thought it was UKA that prevented her from going. Was it not their decision?
Pantman, as usual when someone does not like the facts, and the reality, then most people can be distracted by personal attacks, side issues, appeal to pity, straw-man defense, etc.
Pantman wrote:
Taking her medals away wrote:I'm sorry but who in their right mind as a Junior would give up the chance at such a prospect, other than one who is unfortunately being brain washed.
What a stupid thing to say! The decision may or may not have been the right one; it may have made for any number of reasons. But it certainly shouldn't prompt the use of imflammatory words like "brainwashed".
Be a constructive part of the discussion if you can, but that kind of talk does nothing for your position.
Taking her medals away wrote:
As already has been posted what are they going to do when it cmoes to the Olympics and the same holding/trainng camp is to be used, will it still not be good enough for the team, will they stop her once again chasing what are surely her dreams??
I thought it was UKA that prevented her from going. Was it not their decision?
Pantman, as usual when someone does not like the facts, and the reality, then most people can be distracted by personal attacks, side issues, appeal to pity, straw-man defense, etc.
Yes most definately 110% I support UKA and I'm proud of it. I know how much work some of those girls and guys put in and it's a hell of a lot.
As far as I know there is at least one boy in the group (or certainly club), Ben Coldray who is a very talented youngster. Last year one of the top 2 under 13s in the country over X-country. Met him at a 3k race at Watford last year and whilst I was clear of him, he wasn't that far back! 9:30 or so I think. Very talented youngster.
Just thinking about other lads that may have been in the group, I think Tom Felce was and now that I flick my mind back I'm fairly sure Davenport was as well.
I think that perhaps the reason his methods work so well, is that perhaps he does have higher training loads than would be expected for athletes of that age, and the reason it wouldn't be so effective for the guys could be that guys naturally tend towards more adult training loads ( accross the country I'm sure there are more lads out there training with big mileage than there are girls) and so his group doesn't look so special.
Total shame that a very talented athlete isn't going who had the potential to medal and this mess between the Pigeons, Farrow and UKA has to be sorted out.
I think the big question that's starting to spring to mind is that Farrow not having a coaching license has to be due to...
a) UKA being extremely incompetent at no reinstating him
b) UKA still having worries- which by now should still really have been addressed.
UKA had nothing to do with their choice not to allow Emily the chance to win a global medal at the World X.
Sorry whether you think its constructive or not I still think he is brainwashing her and their family.
So you know the facts then?
No it wasnt UKA's decision. The Press Release from David Collins says that she was given the choice of two events, and was selected for both or perhaps either. She decided that she would not accept the invite as it required her to go to the holding camp for a couple of days on the way to Beijing.
I really cannot see the problem with the UKA proposal, but then I do not know what the Pidgeon alternative was. Does anybody know what they wanted to do rather than go to Macau ?
It just seems stupid that this chance is being lost over such a simple issue.
Is it possible that this is the final straw in the dispute between the Pidgeon camp and UKA ?
Bryn, there is a third reason and it relates to the legal issues. These are not so easy to resolve when the legal eagles are involved.
Taking her medals away wrote:
Yes most definately 110% I support UKA and I'm proud of it. I know how much work some of those girls and guys put in and it's a hell of a lot.
Convincing athletes to sign contracts before reading and understanding them may be very hard work indeed.
Also going about work in an unstructured (and un-intelligent) way, also have a tendency to keep you very busy... ...without producing much of a result...
Leadership is about acting in such a way so that people like to follow, not using power & contracts to enforce compliance...
...and Leadership seems to be in very short supply...
Taking her medals away wrote:
Yes most definately 110% I support UKA and I'm proud of it. I know how much work some of those girls and guys put in and it's a hell of a lot.
And Farrow doesn't put in any work? Nor Pidgeon?
Supporting someone should depend on the facts not how much work they put in!
Still trying to ascertain what those are...
Taking her medals away wrote:
UKA had nothing to do with their choice not to allow Emily the chance to win a global medal at the World X.
I was referring to Beijing.
Taking her medals away wrote:
Sorry whether you think its constructive or not I still think he is brainwashing her and their family.
It is clear you do not know what brainwashing is. Having a strong influence over someone is not brainwashing. Being concerned that others will undermine your work/input by saying negative things to your athlete about you is not brainwashing.
I'm not saying that Farrow (nor Emily's Dad) is 100% right, but brainwashing is a ludicrous claim.
Sad to see....... wrote:
No it wasnt UKA's decision. The Press Release from David Collins says that she was given the choice of two events, and was selected for both or perhaps either. She decided that she would not accept the invite as it required her to go to the holding camp for a couple of days on the way to Beijing.
I really cannot see the problem with the UKA proposal, but then I do not know what the Pidgeon alternative was. Does anybody know what they wanted to do rather than go to Macau ?
It just seems stupid that this chance is being lost over such a simple issue.
Is it possible that this is the final straw in the dispute between the Pidgeon camp and UKA ?
Sigh, yet another flawed argument.
Sad to see.......; If you were to be given the choice of execution by: 1. Hanging, or 2. Electric chair, you would find the fact that you were given two alternatives satisfactory? The fact that they are variants of what ought to be the big issue; ie the execution would not be a problem?