It’s their own faults for not being locked in. Ky, Charles, and Grant didn’t have the problems L&L did, and Stanford women’s teams are doing great. They need to take responsibility for their mediocre careers.
Are we not allowed to say what you can see just looking at them? They aren't going to be as fast as Nico because they aren't built like him. They're more muscular. They've filled out since high school. They're in great shape, they're doing fine, it just is what it is.
You don't think they would prefer to be running as well as their brother??
They probably are not as good as Nico because he didn't have to compete for resources as a fetus. Lex/Leo made a huge strategic mistake by not absorbing the other twin in the womb.
In some interview a few years ago someone asked Brosnan about the pro prospects of the 4 runners....he didn't say who, but said he thought 1 of them had a good chance of making it pro....and he was right, Colin Sahlman will be the only one of the 4 to have a pro career. Nothing to be ashamed about for the Young twins. No way they are going to the OAC. Maybe ON picks them up as pros for a few years just because of their connections and online presence.....but if they turn pro they won't make waves at all.
Lex and Leo Young have excellent PR's in the 10K (27:48) and 1500m(3:35)/mile(3:55) respectively. They will likely both be doing a gap year and will be fine. They might grad transfer to somewhere with elevation or another excellent coach. Also, they are getting degrees in engineering at Stanford. They are going to have very comfortable lives.
The courses are either crazy short now or the technology is just advanced to a level that is taking 60% of the effort off the runner. In college I had a top 50 finish and top 10 finish in XC Nationals and based on the current times I'd be lucky to crack the top 150!
That is a weird metric. I measure success by accomplishments, not by love of running. My neighbor loves running. He is a terrible person. He hates everyone. He is slow.
wow! that describes me to a T. are you my neighbor?
Was a bit surprised to see Quinn Sullivan commit to Stanford. Kid is a massive talent and I would hate to see it go to waste
What a waste of potential going to Stanford when he could spend four years of his life running around in circles at Eugene or Flagstaff Community Colleges.
Never seen on anyone anywhere: "I passed up Northern Arizona University for Stanford and all I got was this lousy t-shirt."
A lot of posters on this thread are giving away that watching Lex and Leo's career progression from high school to college is their first time around the block. Pay attention to HS/NCAA/Pro T&F for ten more years and you'll start to get the picture. Stuff happens, and even the most highly touted prospects can be underwhelming at the next level. Hell, in 2019 I thought Morgan McDonald would be a major player at the international level and Grant Fisher has lapped him as a pro after beating him once in college at Millrose. It's a very short list of people that go on to live up to all of the promise they show as prep athletes.
A lot of posters on this thread are giving away that watching Lex and Leo's career progression from high school to college is their first time around the block. Pay attention to HS/NCAA/Pro T&F for ten more years and you'll start to get the picture. Stuff happens, and even the most highly touted prospects can be underwhelming at the next level. Hell, in 2019 I thought Morgan McDonald would be a major player at the international level and Grant Fisher has lapped him as a pro after beating him once in college at Millrose. It's a very short list of people that go on to live up to all of the promise they show as prep athletes.
Yeah a lot of runners have a high floor but not a commensurately high ceiling. Lex and Leo ran 13:34/3:39 in high school but likely don’t have the talent to break 3:30/13/27. That’s nothing to be ashamed of, they’ve still improved and are good runners, but I don’t think they have 12:45 talent like Nico.
A lot of posters on this thread are giving away that watching Lex and Leo's career progression from high school to college is their first time around the block. Pay attention to HS/NCAA/Pro T&F for ten more years and you'll start to get the picture. Stuff happens, and even the most highly touted prospects can be underwhelming at the next level. Hell, in 2019 I thought Morgan McDonald would be a major player at the international level and Grant Fisher has lapped him as a pro after beating him once in college at Millrose. It's a very short list of people that go on to live up to all of the promise they show as prep athletes.
Yeah a lot of runners have a high floor but not a commensurately high ceiling. Lex and Leo ran 13:34/3:39 in high school but likely don’t have the talent to break 3:30/13/27. That’s nothing to be ashamed of, they’ve still improved and are good runners, but I don’t think they have 12:45 talent like Nico.
Suppose you were a Woody Kincaid/Ben True -level talent at running today — good enough to maybe make a team or two but not a medal contender. And you had a Stanford degree. Would you be motivated to make running your singular thing?
my belief is that the case for prioritizing running was a lot stronger 15-20 years ago than it is today. American distance running is at a new level, and the drop off in salary between the best and the also-rans is steep. Back in 2009, Lex & Leo-types would have had a shot at being the best in the country, and today they don’t, because the best have gotten a lot better. No shame in that.
Ky Robinson and Grant Fisher were amazing at Stanford but also improved A TON right after leaving. They are just tremendous talents that could still do well, but not live to their greatest potential at Stanford. Exceptions to the rule
Are you assuming that runners peak while they are competing at the collegiate level? I should hope not!
and don't forget, Nico and Colin didn't win an individual title until their senior years and the Young twins have a whole other year at Stanford to make it happen.
and don't forget, Nico and Colin didn't win an individual title until their senior years and the Young twins have a whole other year at Stanford to make it happen.
Maybe 2 years if they take a gap year, especially for Leo since he has a stronger kick which could be more useful in (tactical) championship races.
and don't forget, Nico and Colin didn't win an individual title until their senior years and the Young twins have a whole other year at Stanford to make it happen.
Maybe 2 years if they take a gap year, especially for Leo since he has a stronger kick which could be more useful in (tactical) championship races.
after they graduate it wouldn't surprise me if they transfer to NAU as grad students and spend a year at altitude. they already spend a lot of time in Flag. be an easy transition. that plan seemed to work out pretty well for Tor Hotung Davidson and Rheinhart Harrison.
Maybe 2 years if they take a gap year, especially for Leo since he has a stronger kick which could be more useful in (tactical) championship races.
after they graduate it wouldn't surprise me if they transfer to NAU as grad students and spend a year at altitude.
I think you may be missing the point that some of us are trying to make. I don't mean to unduly denigrate or elevate any particular academic or athletic institution, and I certainly don't want to predict what any particular student or athlete might choose to do, but one does not ordinarily choose to attend Stanford as an undergraduate with the aspiration of later attending Northern Arizona University as a graduate student.
By the logic of some letsrun.com posters, Sean Brosnan must be an awful coach if Lex and Leo have not been exceptional at the university level. In other words, Coach Brosan burned them out is the reasoning. However, experienced people would view the situation through a different lens, and they might say the Brosnan was a better coach than the Stanford coaches, at least for individualizing training and instructing them on how to compete. Or, the answer may be that Lex and Leo are challenged so heavily in academics at Stanford they are jot improving due to fatigue outside of running.
Note, I think Brosnan is a very good coach.
You need to pick a side here. You're waffling back and forth between excuses, anyone can do that. Given your perceived experience, which is it?
1) Brosnan burned them out- How? High mileage? Too many races? Hard workouts? All the above?
2) Stanford coach not as good as Brosnan- Ricardo is a good coach, and does nothing to warrant him being "awful" or "bad". He's had a lot of success with many runners. When the boys decided to attend Stanford, I'm sure Brosnan reached out to Ricardo to gauge what works for the boys and what doesn't. The Boys NEED to adjust accordingly, and there's no reason they couldn't.
3) Lex and Leo were over challenged academically- Unless both were totally CLUELESS! If they didn't know what they were getting themselves into academically at Stanford, they deserve to run like sh^t. Also, Stanford is a VERY athletic friendly school, who supports their athletes on all levels.
Adjusting to collegiate athletics isn't as easy as you think. Being a high school phenom doesn't guarantee anything, it helps, but doesn't always transition over to the next level.
after they graduate it wouldn't surprise me if they transfer to NAU as grad students and spend a year at altitude.
I think you may be missing the point that some of us are trying to make. I don't mean to unduly denigrate or elevate any particular academic or athletic institution, and I certainly don't want to predict what any particular student or athlete might choose to do, but one does not ordinarily choose to attend Stanford as an undergraduate with the aspiration of later attending Northern Arizona University as a graduate student.
I understand your point but you need to take "grad transfer" with a grain of salt, especially when it comes to student athletes who use it to extend their eligibility with zero to little schoolwork hanging over them. they've been doing it in football for decades. no one in their right mind transfers from Stanford to NAU if education is their top priority. But if someone wants to immerse themselves into running and basically train like a pro while having all the resources of an athletic department at their disposal it's an easy thing to do. its almost like taking a gap year except you get to run for a team.