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I took the post literally. that there are examples of smears and lies being brought forth, showing an effort to help bring down the coach.
Those efforts could be separate from whatever the allegations, or they could be related. But they should definitely be heard.
You're clearly giddy with excitement like you have personal knowledge. Just say what happened instead of saying generic "bad coach" remarks. What specifically happened? Clearly you think he should be thrown under the bus, so just say what it was.
nodogs wrote:
You're clearly giddy with excitement like you have personal knowledge. Just say what happened instead of saying generic "bad coach" remarks. What specifically happened? Clearly you think he should be thrown under the bus, so just say what it was.
seriously, I have no idea! I have zero inside perspective.
I think others do who are immediately jumping to defend... it's this huge leap to a conclusion that they are implying with their narrative. that warp is strange and revealing in itself. I agree with you, if you know something say it!
not all criticism is a lie or smear or attempt to take someone down. that's the dumb one-sided victimhood of DARVO manipulation. does some level of people going after someone happen, absolutely.
the truth is somewhere in between...
the thing is, have it out. tell people the accusation, let the investigation happen, hold people accountable.
Omg you're insufferable. You literally posted the article and insinuated you know for sure with intimate knowledge this guy did something bad, and now you are walking it back. You've just lost credibility. Say what you know or move on.
100% my since my brother joined his team I have seen him grow so much as a person like a worlds of a difference. He is a great man and he puts all his heart and soul into the team. He puts a lot of unpayed time into this because he cares about the kids. As for the people trying to get him fired, I cannot say the same about.
I have A LOT OF inside information and regardless of your experience with Coach Aris, that is not the case
I know the people running the smear campaign as well as Bill Aris and the people supporting him.
The group of people who are in support of him are nice reasonable people who care about the wellbeing of the kids and the team more than their own egos.
How can you call someone else’s experience a “smear campaign?” If people have had a bad experience, they have every right to report it and for it to be looked into. Your positive experience doesn’t negate someone else’s negative experience. Did Larry Nassar abuse every single gymnast he worked with? No. That doesn’t mean he didn’t hurt many others.
SMikes wrote:
I have A LOT OF inside information and regardless of your experience with Coach Aris, that is not the case
I know the people running the smear campaign as well as Bill Aris and the people supporting him.
The group of people who are in support of him are nice reasonable people who care about the wellbeing of the kids and the team more than their own egos.
I don’t think anyone here has all the facts publicly, and I agree people should be careful about turning rumor into certainty. Some of the reflexive defense in this thread is just as unhealthy as reflexive condemnation.
A coach can change many lives positively and still have athletes who experienced the culture as harmful, controlling, or emotionally damaging. Those realities are not mutually exclusive.
What some of you still refuse to acknowledge is that “he won a lot,” “people loved him,” and “he meant a lot to the community” are not answers to concerns about impact on specific athletes. That’s a different plane of discussion entirely.
No one should be casually destroyed by gossip. Similarly, blind hero worship and automatic dismissal of people with negative experiences is exactly how unhealthy environments get protected for years.
You say you've got this insider info - fine, share it. Another poster accused me of the exact behavior you're doing. At the very least, what is the accusation.
This is the most spot-on comment yet. Thank you.
cockasita wrote:
From a parent of an athlete in the program, this is not speculation. There is proof/evidence circulating that lists out the bad actors. This is going to become ugly for everyone but Coach Aris the longer this goes on.
This person who says they are a parent...maybe they can tell us all more? Since they are ready to make things "ugly" in some way, surely they must know a great deal if they are willing to retaliate against other parents (or kids...?) in their own community. One thing I don't understand, are they going to tell the school district that people have talked to...the school district? Or what is the purpose of this list of "bad actors"?
There are no actors here. This is ONLY about protecting the athletes emotional and physical well being. If you have kids, you get it. If you don’t understand the damage that has been done and is being done then you are not aware of the situation going on at FM. It’s gone on for WAY too many years. I commend the parents that finally took a stand here. It needs to stop. If I had a child currently in this program, I would do the same to protect them. High school varsity sports are NOT the Olympics. It should be fun, competitive and team building. What I hear now, is that it is brutal, tears these kids down, injures them and is completely the opposite of what a HS team should be. Look at how many injuries there are. This is HS, and not a cult. Unreal.
This is complete rubbish. 35-55 miles per week for these teams. Get your story straight before making assumptions just to fit your narrative.
Some Things to consider - some
parents and Aris son have been running a really weird middle school program that runs more mileage than any fun program should - in the area we know kids from 4th-8th grade are out there running long mileage - kids not racing varsity doing 9 plays miles in march and April.
now kids who went through this club are getting injured at the hs level. and the crazy parents who had their kids going to this program regularly are now mad their kids are getting hurt? Shocking
but Aris not coaching comes down to - he got away with a lot because when winning it’s hard for parents to really complain because your kid will Be held accountable as the reason he isn’t coaching anymore and they are no longer winning . when not winning it is way easier to complain .
there are so many real stories of kids doing too much in the name of”helping the team” and literally sacrificing their college career to help win at the hs level. he believed in the military way of breaking them down and building them back up - and that doesn’t work in this war. And parents are complaining.
Literally none of the kids in the really weird middle school program are injured on the varsity team.
Incorrect. Get your facts straight. Many are.
The top girl from XC didn’t run the club program before joining varsity?
The kids who came through the really weird program are now 9 & 10 grade boys on varsity, and literally none are injured. All are competing and improving. My facts are straight. Your “facts” are fiction.
FYI it’s a weird middle school program. Anyone that runs at green lakes knows- adult men running with little kids for way longer than any kid wants to. it weird .
Either way. You can’t claim the injuries don’t exist. That’s why there is an issue. who to blame for the injuries is a different issue.
Weren’t you just accusing someone else of saying things to fit their narrative?
Good story-if you say it enough people Might believe you. and currently not injured is different than injured often but can still race