I coach a junior high school student who has run 8:00/3:45 for 3k and 1500 this season and Oregon, Villanova, Washington, Wake Forest, and North Carolina have expressed interest so I would assume to get interest from those schools you need to run around those times. On the other hand I have a high school senior who has run 3:55/8:29/14:49 and he hasn't heard anything. I probably doesn't help that we are in Australia. I have 2 females that I coach running D1 in August and they both run sub 4:30 for 1500m and decent runs over other distances as well.
Big difference from when I ran 4:20 back in mid 80's and got scholarship money from a D1 school.
Isn't this all math? I listen to a lot of parents talk about their kids in all these club sports they pay out the wazoo for at 12 years old talk about it like it's putting in their dues and scholarships are some sort of meritocracy of investment... but they never do the math...
Historically, a track team received 12 full rides. Let's just use that... even though it's all different now, but the same logic still applies. Let's say the XC team or Distance took 6 of these. That means, you roughly have 1.25 scholarships to give out per class (freshman, sophomore, Junior, Senior, and maybe a redshirt).
32 teams ran at ncaa's last year, just for arguments sake, let's double that and consider there are 64 teams that are nationally competitive. That means, for incoming freshman, there are roughly 80 scholarships to give out. Think about that... 80. maybe every team breaks them up in percentages to stretch them... so say they break it out a 3 kids get a partial scholarship. 240 kids getting 1/3 ride... in the entire country, to go a school that might compete for national meet spot.
I'm sure someone here has access to all the rankings and can tell you what the 240th best mile and 3200 times are and I'm willing to bet their all under 4:15 and 9:15.
From there, you can see why picking a school that matters to you is more important than getting money, because you likely won't get anything that makes it worth your time. Out of state tuition to run at say, Wisconsin, with a 1/3 scholarship would still be roughly 26-28k, to probably never make a conference team.
It's not shocking to me at all that kids don't get money. I didn't include foreigners either.
Isn't this all math? I listen to a lot of parents talk about their kids in all these club sports they pay out the wazoo for at 12 years old talk about it like it's putting in their dues and scholarships are some sort of meritocracy of investment... but they never do the math...
Historically, a track team received 12 full rides. Let's just use that... even though it's all different now, but the same logic still applies. Let's say the XC team or Distance took 6 of these. That means, you roughly have 1.25 scholarships to give out per class (freshman, sophomore, Junior, Senior, and maybe a redshirt).
32 teams ran at ncaa's last year, just for arguments sake, let's double that and consider there are 64 teams that are nationally competitive. That means, for incoming freshman, there are roughly 80 scholarships to give out. Think about that... 80. maybe every team breaks them up in percentages to stretch them... so say they break it out a 3 kids get a partial scholarship. 240 kids getting 1/3 ride... in the entire country, to go a school that might compete for national meet spot.
I'm sure someone here has access to all the rankings and can tell you what the 240th best mile and 3200 times are and I'm willing to bet their all under 4:15 and 9:15.
From there, you can see why picking a school that matters to you is more important than getting money, because you likely won't get anything that makes it worth your time. Out of state tuition to run at say, Wisconsin, with a 1/3 scholarship would still be roughly 26-28k, to probably never make a conference team.
It's not shocking to me at all that kids don't get money. I didn't include foreigners either.
brother, distance was not getting 6 scholarships of the 12 lol, they get 2-4 depending on how heavily the program invests in it. many teams aren't even fully funded, meaning they have less than 12 fulls to give.
Iowa was top 10 at indoor nationals and have won several B10 track titles. Ciach said they don't use any scholarships for distance. I think UNI has only a few scholarships for entire track team.
Isn't this all math? I listen to a lot of parents talk about their kids in all these club sports they pay out the wazoo for at 12 years old talk about it like it's putting in their dues and scholarships are some sort of meritocracy of investment... but they never do the math...
Historically, a track team received 12 full rides. Let's just use that... even though it's all different now, but the same logic still applies. Let's say the XC team or Distance took 6 of these. That means, you roughly have 1.25 scholarships to give out per class (freshman, sophomore, Junior, Senior, and maybe a redshirt).
32 teams ran at ncaa's last year, just for arguments sake, let's double that and consider there are 64 teams that are nationally competitive. That means, for incoming freshman, there are roughly 80 scholarships to give out. Think about that... 80. maybe every team breaks them up in percentages to stretch them... so say they break it out a 3 kids get a partial scholarship. 240 kids getting 1/3 ride... in the entire country, to go a school that might compete for national meet spot.
I'm sure someone here has access to all the rankings and can tell you what the 240th best mile and 3200 times are and I'm willing to bet their all under 4:15 and 9:15.
From there, you can see why picking a school that matters to you is more important than getting money, because you likely won't get anything that makes it worth your time. Out of state tuition to run at say, Wisconsin, with a 1/3 scholarship would still be roughly 26-28k, to probably never make a conference team.
It's not shocking to me at all that kids don't get money. I didn't include foreigners either.
brother, distance was not getting 6 scholarships of the 12 lol, they get 2-4 depending on how heavily the program invests in it. many teams aren't even fully funded, meaning they have less than 12 fulls to give.
The other huge mistake that parents make is that they think that (picking a random D1 school here) just because Arkansas-Pine Bluff is D1, they've got scholarships to give and are interested is using them on distance athletes.
They'll go on TFRRS and see "Wow, their best 1500 guy runs a 4:09!" and conclude that their little Johnny and his 4:25 mile should be getting money from somewhere.
Isn't this all math? I listen to a lot of parents talk about their kids in all these club sports they pay out the wazoo for at 12 years old talk about it like it's putting in their dues and scholarships are some sort of meritocracy of investment... but they never do the math...
Historically, a track team received 12 full rides. Let's just use that... even though it's all different now, but the same logic still applies. Let's say the XC team or Distance took 6 of these. That means, you roughly have 1.25 scholarships to give out per class (freshman, sophomore, Junior, Senior, and maybe a redshirt).
32 teams ran at ncaa's last year, just for arguments sake, let's double that and consider there are 64 teams that are nationally competitive. That means, for incoming freshman, there are roughly 80 scholarships to give out. Think about that... 80. maybe every team breaks them up in percentages to stretch them... so say they break it out a 3 kids get a partial scholarship. 240 kids getting 1/3 ride... in the entire country, to go a school that might compete for national meet spot.
I'm sure someone here has access to all the rankings and can tell you what the 240th best mile and 3200 times are and I'm willing to bet their all under 4:15 and 9:15.
From there, you can see why picking a school that matters to you is more important than getting money, because you likely won't get anything that makes it worth your time. Out of state tuition to run at say, Wisconsin, with a 1/3 scholarship would still be roughly 26-28k, to probably never make a conference team.
It's not shocking to me at all that kids don't get money. I didn't include foreigners either.
brother, distance was not getting 6 scholarships of the 12 lol, they get 2-4 depending on how heavily the program invests in it. many teams aren't even fully funded, meaning they have less than 12 fulls to give.
lol, I was being gracious just to prove the point…. If a team had less, you’re getting into an even more limited set. I think in today’s environment, if you aren’t a top 50 guy, you're most likely not getting any money from a reputable distance program.
I've already started reaching out to some power 5 schools- i'm a junior who runs 1:55, 4:10, 8:56, and 15:07. Here are what some schools are looking for:
I cannot wait for the dumplicans to start blaming biden for this, ¨It´s the libs fault that we´re letting these stupid foreigners into our country, and actual americans can no longer get scholarships!¨
These days everyone on D1 team runs the same amount of meets. The difference I’ve noticed is that the top athletes are truly traveling somewhere and the bottom athletes at the program might be running at a meet an hour away, hosted by a local D2/D3 school.
Track also allows you to punch above your weight and attend schools that you otherwise wouldn’t have had access to. That is still life changing for many, if that access is used properly.
So while running at University of Western Southern Nothing is not a smart choice, just to run D1, a non scholarship athlete in the Patriot league should be in a great spot post college. Better than 95 percent of the track athletes, even in SEC, where only even a handful of them are Olympic level athletes.
remember the ivies do an absolute awful job of talent development for distance runners - so I’ve always recommended as a coach to use it as an ivy hook for pure academic prestige - the running experience will be mid at best.