These threads always make me laugh, because they invariably go from "I don't understand why he got banned" to "So what if he cheated, everyone else was too" in about ten replies.
Dude is cheating, sexual assaulting scumbag. That's why he's banned.
When NONE of his athletes were ever publicly announced as testing positive?
and does anyone know what he’s doing all these years later?
This may have been covered, but he gave athletes prescription thyroid drugs without a prescription. That is enough, but there was a lot more than that.
These threads always make me laugh, because they invariably go from "I don't understand why he got banned" to "So what if he cheated, everyone else was too" in about ten replies.
Dude is cheating, sexual assaulting scumbag. That's why he's banned.
You guys are so naive, so utterly ignorant. You want medalists but you want them clean. Good luck with that.
These threads always make me laugh, because they invariably go from "I don't understand why he got banned" to "So what if he cheated, everyone else was too" in about ten replies.
Dude is cheating, sexual assaulting scumbag. That's why he's banned.
You guys are so naive, so utterly ignorant. You want medalists but you want them clean. Good luck with that.
I prefer clean non medalists to dirty medalists for what it's worth.
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Thanks for sharing this article. Since Magness has described how Salazar tried to base his training for the Boston Marathon on posts from this board instead of using his knowledge from winning the thing, I can't help but wonder how often Salazar himself posts here under burners to try to get unearned sympathy for himself.
I prefer clean non medalists to dirty medalists for what it's worth.
That is a fair position. But you may be in the minority from what I observe.
I would say yes and no here. I think most fans want "their" athletes to win and be clean. I think the upshot is that people are much, much, less likely to believe their athletes are dirty. Barry Bonds is generally thought of as a big time cheater by most baseball fans but from what I've seen San Francisco Giant fans are still fans of his. Lance Armstrong was almost everyone's hero even when there was serious reason to think he was doping. It took undeniable proof to change that. I think most people want it both ways.
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Actually, I did not I was doing my Radiology residency.
as stated by a poster previously, this information is readily available. several years ago, a runner doing his radiology residency at stanford finished fourth at western states in about 16 hours, which is a healthy hobby jog in the mountains. seems like you could have found the time to read an article or two concerning this at the time.
The method (IV) was not forbidden in delivering the L carnitine- it was that the amount used IV was greater than what is allowed (50cc?). Of course, Farah didn't remember getting one of these transfusions until his lawyers encouraged him to return to the deposition and to state that he had "misremembered"; and Ritz was still allowed to walk away squeaky clean. The only one in trouble over that was the man that had been hired as an assistant (that eventually reported all the strange things he'd seen regarding Rupp). The possession of test wasn't the problem either- it was that he was using the gel on his son (who had no prescription to use this) to test the limits that would pop positive. I was unaware of the "tampering" claim- what was that in relation to?And did Salazar ever admit to using the testosterone during his career? I'm honestly asking, as the prozac generated quite a bit of interest after his ultra win.
AAA decision:
Here, the Panel found the following violations of the Code: (a) Administration of a Prohibited Method (with respect to an infusion in excess of the applicable limit), (b) Tampering and/or attempted tampering with NOP athletes’ doping control process, and (c) Trafficking and/or Attempted Trafficking of testosterone. Accordingly, the Panel finds that the period of Ineligibility shall be four years from the date of this decision.
CAS decision:
Mr. Alberto Salazar committed the following anti-doping rule violations: a. Possession (2009 WADC Article 2.6) of testosterone in furtherance of the Testosterone Experiment; b. Complicity (2009 WADC Article 2.8) in Dr. Jeffrey Brown’s Administration of a Prohibited Method to Mr. Steve Magness; c. Tampering (2009 WADC Article 2.5) with the Doping Control Process with respect to the issue of L-carnitine infusions/syringes.
The tampering was him telling his athletes to lie about their infusions.
A good summary.
I noted that:
- It appears that the CAS reversed all of the AAA findings, and replaced them with their own findings. Salazar didn't Administer or attempt to Administer, but rather was Complicit (Administration by complicity?). Salazar didn't attempt to tamper with emails about infusions, as the AAA found, but rather more generally, tampered with USADA's investigation and prosecution of infusions. Salazar didn't "traffick" testosterone, but his possession of testosterone (although valid for his own personal use) was not valid for experiments on non-athletes.
- This may seem like nitpicking, as the CAS Panel still upheld the 4-year ban, but the CAS Panel effectively says that the AAA committed many errors in interpretation of the applicable rules, which, in and of itself, is concerning.
- If Salazar was complicit with (or administered) Magness' ADRV (or else there is no ADRV that Salazar could have administered, or be complicit with administering), Magness should have been charged by USADA for that ADRV. This may seem unfair, but those are WADA's rules. WADA seemed to agree on that point. In the Lance Armstrong decision, USADA also charged 4 of his teammates, who served a 6-month ban, reduced for cooperation, so it is confusing why they didn't do that here.
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When NONE of his athletes were ever publicly announced as testing positive?
and does anyone know what he’s doing all these years later?
An interesting question, given that WADA's goal is to protect clean athletes. If no NOP athletes were banned, which clean athletes were protected by Salazar's ban?
As a matter of fact, USADA was also convinced that Rupp and Ritz also violated the rules. See for example the evidence discussed on pages 57 - 72 of the AAA decision, including the "altered records":
Yet ultimately AAA decided in a 2 : 1 vote "that USADA has not met its burden of proof with respect to the Attempted Administration charge as it relates to the NOP Athletes" (point 234, p. 72), meaning Rupp and Ritz indeed skated away scot-free.
I was always perplexed by the suspicion surrounding Ritz.
My recollection is that Ritz hesitated to undergo the L-Carnitine administration procedure, expressing his discomfort, and asking if it was WADA legal. It was then they discovered that the WADA legal limit for infusions (or injections for that matter) was 50ml per 6 hours. (After the Salazar case, WADA has sinced relaxed this to 100ml per 12 hours.)
If anyone, I think the record here clearly exonerates Ritz.
act like you don't know he admitted to performing medical experience on his athletes to see how much testosterone and other drugs he could give his athletes without triggering a positive test via alternative methods like nasal injection, etc.
And he did the experiments on his sons, who were not pro runners
He experimented on non-athletes. I think it's fair to ask why it's against the rules to give PEDs to consenting adults who don't complete.
Steve Magness was an athlete when he took the L-Carnitine infusion
I don't think USADA was going after Ritz. They just used Ritz, Rupp, Erdmann and others like Magness to try to ban Salazar.
Ritz's concerns actually might have saved them all, for he made Salazar pause and check with USADA. Otherwise Salazar may very well have given them all the full 1 liter dose, with whatever consequences.
When NONE of his athletes were ever publicly announced as testing positive?
and does anyone know what he’s doing all these years later?
An interesting question, given that WADA's goal is to protect clean athletes. If no NOP athletes were banned, which clean athletes were protected by Salazar's ban?
Not really an important point. First, WADA wasn't directly involved in Salazar's doping ban, That was USADA + AAA + CAS. Second, according to WADA rules, WADA code violations are subject to bans, regardless of whether or not clean athletes are being protected, Third, banning a coach who committed three ARDVs may very protect clean athletes of the future.