I doubt if Salazar, Gerry, Chapa, Prefontaine and many others cried about this. It made them the great runners they were.
Horrible example. Prefontaine never lost to an international athlete at an NCAA championships and all of his best NCAA competitors were American.
When Pre ran at the NCAA Championships, the stadium would be SOLD OUT. People were genuinely really interested in watching the best American NCAA runners compete.
Loser makes excuses and cries for a safe space. Tale as old as time.
Nobody is making excuses. People are just concerned about the future of our sport the NCAA.
Due to the massive influx of old, doping Kenyans that don't even speak English, interest in our sport at the NCAA level is at an ALL TIME LOW.
Participation in cross country and track in high school are at all time highs, while interest in the NCAA level is at rock bottom. Clearly fans are not interested in the product that the NCAA is putting out.
When Athletic Directors realize they have to put 17 scholarships into Kenyans just to be top 15 in the NCAA, and then they still only have 25 fans show up at home meets they are going to ask questions. Can those resources be used in a way to improve other sports that generate revenue? Cross Country + Track programs are going to get cut.
1- age limits - cut off is their 24th birthday. No competition beyond that
2- limit of 2-3 foreigners on any roster of 17
of course everyone will complain or split hairs on this but there are age limits I believe in other sports and some professional leagues only allow a couple foreigners (i am thinking maybe soccer/wuropean hockey)
1- age limits - cut off is their 24th birthday. No competition beyond that
2- limit of 2-3 foreigners on any roster of 17
of course everyone will complain or split hairs on this but there are age limits I believe in other sports and some professional leagues only allow a couple foreigners (i am thinking maybe soccer/wuropean hockey)
Another problem is the Africans will simply provide fake birth certificates stating a 27 year old is 19. Soccer introduced the MRI wrist test because of the massive levels of age-cheating from African nations, not only East Africans, but from all of North Africa, and from the Nigerians, and from Cameroon … you name it, the countries were cheating. It’s actually an interesting story in itself. It’s also a sad lesson, as one realizes that we can’t take them at their word for anything.
Loser makes excuses and cries for a safe space. Tale as old as time.
Nobody is making excuses. People are just concerned about the future of our sport the NCAA.
Due to the massive influx of old, doping Kenyans that don't even speak English, interest in our sport at the NCAA level is at an ALL TIME LOW.
Participation in cross country and track in high school are at all time highs, while interest in the NCAA level is at rock bottom. Clearly fans are not interested in the product that the NCAA is putting out.
When Athletic Directors realize they have to put 17 scholarships into Kenyans just to be top 15 in the NCAA, and then they still only have 25 fans show up at home meets they are going to ask questions. Can those resources be used in a way to improve other sports that generate revenue? Cross Country + Track programs are going to get cut.
Complaining that there are foreigners faster so they must be doping is 100% excuse making. It’s a loser mentality. Do you think Hocker and Nuguse get Olympic medals if they had been coddled in an NCAA safe space?
Nobody is making excuses. People are just concerned about the future of our sport the NCAA.
Due to the massive influx of old, doping Kenyans that don't even speak English, interest in our sport at the NCAA level is at an ALL TIME LOW.
Participation in cross country and track in high school are at all time highs, while interest in the NCAA level is at rock bottom. Clearly fans are not interested in the product that the NCAA is putting out.
When Athletic Directors realize they have to put 17 scholarships into Kenyans just to be top 15 in the NCAA, and then they still only have 25 fans show up at home meets they are going to ask questions. Can those resources be used in a way to improve other sports that generate revenue? Cross Country + Track programs are going to get cut.
Complaining that there are foreigners faster so they must be doping is 100% excuse making. It’s a loser mentality. Do you think Hocker and Nuguse get Olympic medals if they had been coddled in an NCAA safe space?
Hocker never got a challenge from an international guy in the mile/1500. He dominated Kipsang by 2 seconds indoors. Hocker and Nuguse were nearly 2 seconds ahead of Suliman outdoors.
So yes, they 100% still get Olympic medals because the international guys never even helped them or pushed them.
The NCAA system actually helps international athletes BEAT our domestic athletes at the Olympics by providing them funding and training that they wouldn't have in their home countries. Look at athletes like De Grasse, Julien Alfed, Josh Kerr and many more.
Complaining that there are foreigners faster so they must be doping is 100% excuse making. It’s a loser mentality. Do you think Hocker and Nuguse get Olympic medals if they had been coddled in an NCAA safe space?
Hocker never got a challenge from an international guy in the mile/1500. He dominated Kipsang by 2 seconds indoors. Hocker and Nuguse were nearly 2 seconds ahead of Suliman outdoors.
So yes, they 100% still get Olympic medals because the international guys never even helped them or pushed them.
The NCAA system actually helps international athletes BEAT our domestic athletes at the Olympics by providing them funding and training that they wouldn't have in their home countries. Look at athletes like De Grasse, Julien Alfed, Josh Kerr and many more.
You are being very simplistic to say that just because Hocker was dominant in college that he didn’t benefit from not being coddled. Rising tide raises all boats. If it was an American safe space there is a 0% chance him or Nuguse or Fisher get to where they are
Loser makes excuses and cries for a safe space. Tale as old as time.
Nobody is making excuses. People are just concerned about the future of our sport the NCAA.
Due to the massive influx of old, doping Kenyans that don't even speak English, interest in our sport at the NCAA level is at an ALL TIME LOW.
Participation in cross country and track in high school are at all time highs, while interest in the NCAA level is at rock bottom. Clearly fans are not interested in the product that the NCAA is putting out.
When Athletic Directors realize they have to put 17 scholarships into Kenyans just to be top 15 in the NCAA, and then they still only have 25 fans show up at home meets they are going to ask questions. Can those resources be used in a way to improve other sports that generate revenue? Cross Country + Track programs are going to get cut.
Interest is at an all time low? When was it ever high? I ran college track 30 years ago. We ran in empty stadiums then, just like they do now. No one cared...just like now. This is nothing new.
If you want passionate, engaged spectators, you chose the wrong sport.
1- age limits - cut off is their 24th birthday. No competition beyond that
2- limit of 2-3 foreigners on any roster of 17
of course everyone will complain or split hairs on this but there are age limits I believe in other sports and some professional leagues only allow a couple foreigners (i am thinking maybe soccer/wuropean hockey)
Another problem is the Africans will simply provide fake birth certificates stating a 27 year old is 19. Soccer introduced the MRI wrist test because of the massive levels of age-cheating from African nations, not only East Africans, but from all of North Africa, and from the Nigerians, and from Cameroon … you name it, the countries were cheating. It’s actually an interesting story in itself. It’s also a sad lesson, as one realizes that we can’t take them at their word for anything.
True. Some of the stories are hilarious. 32 year old Nigerians and Morooccans claiming to be 18. Seems lime the average age of the cheats was at least 6 to 8 years older than what they claimed.
Nearly every region was dominated by Kenyans that are clearly doping.
You want us to believe that there are 100 "CLEAN" college aged Kenyans now in the NCAA that are better than all but a few American college aged kids? When American pro runners are now performing better than Kenyans in nearly every distance event on the track? And a lot of Kenya's best young athletes stay in Kenya and are on pro contracts, so we are supposed to believe that Kenya has 200 young clean athletes that are all better then everyone but the top 5 or 6 Americans.
It's beyond belief. And it's ruining the sport. They are dirty and it is making our sport lose fans in mass numbers.
Hocker never got a challenge from an international guy in the mile/1500. He dominated Kipsang by 2 seconds indoors. Hocker and Nuguse were nearly 2 seconds ahead of Suliman outdoors.
So yes, they 100% still get Olympic medals because the international guys never even helped them or pushed them.
The NCAA system actually helps international athletes BEAT our domestic athletes at the Olympics by providing them funding and training that they wouldn't have in their home countries. Look at athletes like De Grasse, Julien Alfed, Josh Kerr and many more.
You are being very simplistic to say that just because Hocker was dominant in college that he didn’t benefit from not being coddled. Rising tide raises all boats. If it was an American safe space there is a 0% chance him or Nuguse or Fisher get to where they are
That's just not true, his only real competition was Nuguse and Teare (both Americans). How did slower international athletes help Hocker when they were 2 seconds behind?
It's a more legit argument that being able to race Nuguse and Hocker helped a foreigner like Garcia Romo be successful and get 4th in the World in 2022, beating Americans in the process.
Nobody is making excuses. People are just concerned about the future of our sport the NCAA.
Due to the massive influx of old, doping Kenyans that don't even speak English, interest in our sport at the NCAA level is at an ALL TIME LOW.
Participation in cross country and track in high school are at all time highs, while interest in the NCAA level is at rock bottom. Clearly fans are not interested in the product that the NCAA is putting out.
When Athletic Directors realize they have to put 17 scholarships into Kenyans just to be top 15 in the NCAA, and then they still only have 25 fans show up at home meets they are going to ask questions. Can those resources be used in a way to improve other sports that generate revenue? Cross Country + Track programs are going to get cut.
Interest is at an all time low? When was it ever high? I ran college track 30 years ago. We ran in empty stadiums then, just like they do now. No one cared...just like now. This is nothing new.
If you want passionate, engaged spectators, you chose the wrong sport.
I posted videos of NCAA championships during Pre's years with the stadiums fully packed.
Yes, the sport was massively popular back before the flood of foreigners came in ruined viewership. People don't want to pay money to watch 5 Kenyans compete for the AMERICAN National Collegiate Championship.
Hey moron, is there no testing in the NCAA? How many of these Kenyans have failed a doping test in the US/Kenya? Who is their supplier in the US? Should be very easy to track down.
Stop the racist attacks on them. Are you saying the Americans are losing because they arent doping? Not a single one?
Maybe the reason they keep winning is because losers like you throw up your hands and mentally give up because, "waa waa waa I cant beat them because they are all doping".
Kenyans have been among the top XC runners for decades. Where they all doping all these years?
Get a life.
from the above garbage, we have
no testing
bringing in overseas over age runners against people fresh out of high school
where ncaa don't know why they are there.
provide a healthy platform for young people to develop as people, and fair competition.
You are being very simplistic to say that just because Hocker was dominant in college that he didn’t benefit from not being coddled. Rising tide raises all boats. If it was an American safe space there is a 0% chance him or Nuguse or Fisher get to where they are
That's just not true, his only real competition was Nuguse and Teare (both Americans). How did slower international athletes help Hocker when they were 2 seconds behind?
It's a more legit argument that being able to race Nuguse and Hocker helped a foreigner like Garcia Romo be successful and get 4th in the World in 2022, beating Americans in the process.
Again, you are viewing it to simplistically.
”You are being very simplistic to say that just because Hocker was dominant in college that he didn’t benefit from not being coddled. Rising tide raises all boats. If it was an American safe space there is a 0% chance him or Nuguse or Fisher get to where they are”
The internationals in NCAA has raised the level of competition for DECADES. Hocker benefitted from that elevation of expectation as opposed to isolation.
Interest is at an all time low? When was it ever high? I ran college track 30 years ago. We ran in empty stadiums then, just like they do now. No one cared...just like now. This is nothing new.
If you want passionate, engaged spectators, you chose the wrong sport.
I posted videos of NCAA championships during Pre's years with the stadiums fully packed.
Yes, the sport was massively popular back before the flood of foreigners came in ruined viewership. People don't want to pay money to watch 5 Kenyans compete for the AMERICAN National Collegiate Championship.
I started running in 1967 and have followed the sport closely ever since. It was more popular as a spectator sport then than now but it was NEVER massively popular. There were definitely meets that drew big crowds, the US-USSR meets did very well as did the Penn and Drake Relays and some NCAA championships. But the "How can we make track more popular" letter turned up in Track and Field News with some regularity.
It's true that some people won't want to pay to watch five Kenyans compete for an American national championship. But Henry Rono drew some decent sized crowds in his day. If you think massive crowds are going to start turning up to watch cross country and track if there were no Kenyans you are way off base.