2:06-2:07 in traditional shoes. Not that impressive.
You’re being generous. I’d bet not under 2:08. Queue the downvotes. Funny thing is, this can easily be answered. But then we wouldn’t have the clown show.
Why would he put himself at a disadvantage compared to his competitors to answer internet speculation?
Way to misread what I wrote. If you want to throw a parade, don’t let me stop you. There are a lot of positives from today worth celebrating, which I acknowledged. I just feel ambivalent about it, all things considered. My perspective is just as valid as yours.
Look at the track PBs for Mantz vs Kiplimo
5K 13:10 vs 12:40
10K 27:25 vs 26:34
Even more telling is that Kiplimo won World Cross Country twice. Mantz won NCAA cross country twice.
the fact that he’s within 3 minutes of the guy is a feat in and of itself. Mantz getting the most out of himself in the marathon.
We would need Fisher, Young and Blanks to move up now to the marathon to have someone sniff sub 2:03.
Awesome! And not some cheating blacks like those Alabama and NM recruit from Kenya who don't even take finals and lie about their ages. The worst ever was Edward Cheserek. Dude bald and running HS races
You’re being generous. I’d bet not under 2:08. Queue the downvotes. Funny thing is, this can easily be answered. But then we wouldn’t have the clown show.
Why would he put himself at a disadvantage compared to his competitors to answer internet speculation?
Bro can do whatever he wants. But he’ll always be a 2:08 otherwise. We all know it.
All of the current guys get the leg saving benefit of the new foams day to day to build fitness and stay uninjured, it's the new normal. Race day they get the amazing bounce. All of the current guys get the benefit of the new fueling knowledge and delivery day to day and during the race. For that reason times aren't nearly as interesting as some of us think they are. Too bad he didn't win the race to go along with the record, because it should really be about winning races.
The times that earlier marathoners were running on water and minimal shoes with zero energy return were likely more impressive, but who cares? The current generation of younger runners doesn't want to hear it. What are they supposed to do about it?
Nice job, Mantz. You are the best American marathoner in the worst American marathoning generation of my lifetime. Hopefully you will inspire others to join you in the front pack.
Worst American marathoning generation of your lifetime??
How old are you? Which American marathoner really crushed it in the 90s and early 2000s?
Mantz is a *perfect* candidate to win a gold medal, too, given how flukey the Olympics can be (historically). He’s consistent and he’s ballsy and he’s good enough to be in the mix.
Hilarious how everyone is pouring cold water on how Mantz has managed do do something that no American has managed in two decades (regardless of shoes, drugs, etc) save for Ryan Hall (whom you all idolize) on a super tail-windy day on a record-intelligible course on the day of his racing life (and which race he also didn’t win).
All of the current guys get the leg saving benefit of the new foams day to day to build fitness and stay uninjured, it's the new normal. Race day they get the amazing bounce. All of the current guys get the benefit of the new fueling knowledge and delivery day to day and during the race. For that reason times aren't nearly as interesting as some of us think they are. Too bad he didn't win the race to go along with the record, because it should really be about winning races.
The times that earlier marathoners were running on water and minimal shoes with zero energy return were likely more impressive, but who cares? The current generation of younger runners doesn't want to hear it. What are they supposed to do about it?
Nice job, Mantz. You are the best American marathoner in the worst American marathoning generation of my lifetime. Hopefully you will inspire others to join you in the front pack.
Worst American marathoning generation of your lifetime??
How old are you? Which American marathoner really crushed it in the 90s and early 2000s?
Mantz is a *perfect* candidate to win a gold medal, too, given how flukey the Olympics can be (historically). He’s consistent and he’s ballsy and he’s good enough to be in the mix.
Hilarious how everyone is pouring cold water on how Mantz has managed do do something that no American has managed in two decades (regardless of shoes, drugs, etc) save for Ryan Hall (whom you all idolize) on a super tail-windy day on a record-intelligible course on the day of his racing life (and which race he also didn’t win).
Never been a fan of Rojo … as someone with a degree in journalism, his reporting by is garbage, not to mention he can’t even get a simple fact, like what place Connor Mantz actually was … He was fourth, not fifth. 🙄
Never been a fan of Rojo … as someone with a degree in journalism, his reporting by is garbage, not to mention he can’t even get a simple fact, like what place Connor Mantz actually was … He was fourth, not fifth. 🙄
Khalid Khannouchi's old mark of 2:05:38 that had stood for 20+ years if finally no more.
5th place.
After a super fast first 5k (14:23), he ran pretty even the rest of the way. 62:19 at the half.
Thoughts?
Nice run. Thank g-d we have a national record now below 2:05. He probably has a few years left to push the record down to under 2:04 and get on a few WMM podiums. He needs some of the latter to be in the conversation as the US marathon goat. Olympic gold is not happening, but if he runs 2:03 and can manage any global medal or several WMM medals, I think, given strength of competition now, we can then say he's greater than Shorter, Rodgers, Rupp or Hall, but not yet.
When he wins two Olympic golds, then you can talk about him being as great as Shorter.
All of the current guys get the leg saving benefit of the new foams day to day to build fitness and stay uninjured, it's the new normal. Race day they get the amazing bounce. All of the current guys get the benefit of the new fueling knowledge and delivery day to day and during the race. For that reason times aren't nearly as interesting as some of us think they are. Too bad he didn't win the race to go along with the record, because it should really be about winning races.
The times that earlier marathoners were running on water and minimal shoes with zero energy return were likely more impressive, but who cares? The current generation of younger runners doesn't want to hear it. What are they supposed to do about it?
Nice job, Mantz. You are the best American marathoner in the worst American marathoning generation of my lifetime. Hopefully you will inspire others to join you in the front pack.
Worst American marathoning generation of your lifetime??
How old are you? Which American marathoner really crushed it in the 90s and early 2000s?
Mantz is a *perfect* candidate to win a gold medal, too, given how flukey the Olympics can be (historically). He’s consistent and he’s ballsy and he’s good enough to be in the mix.
Hilarious how everyone is pouring cold water on how Mantz has managed do do something that no American has managed in two decades (regardless of shoes, drugs, etc) save for Ryan Hall (whom you all idolize) on a super tail-windy day on a record-intelligible course on the day of his racing life (and which race he also didn’t win).
Hilarious that you think Hall is idolised here. These boards bashed him quite a bit and lived Meb.
Regardless, his non super shoe run in London, his sub hour 1/2 Marathon, and his Olympic trials race on a hilly rainy loop course in Central Park where he split (going from memory) 1:07 / 1:02 were definitely equal performances.
Also, anyone that thinks Boston is anything but a difficult course major marathon course never ran it. It is far more challenging than Chicago…I know.
Khannouchi ran his in an era without super shoes. With super shoes Khannouchi's time converts to 2:03.37
In the TV broadcast Ed Eyestone, Conner's coach, said that Conner would acknowledge that he had the benefit of better shoes and better nutrition which helped him set the new record.
Khannouchi and Mantz were interviewed next to each other after the race, and they each rightfully paid their respects to each other regarding their accomplishments.
Khannouchi ran his in an era without super shoes. With super shoes Khannouchi's time converts to 2:03.37
In the TV broadcast Ed Eyestone, Conner's coach, said that Conner would acknowledge that he had the benefit of better shoes and better nutrition which helped him set the new record.
Khannouchi and Mantz were interviewed next to each other after the race, and they each rightfully paid their respects to each other regarding their accomplishments.
Accurately stated. It's like comparing traveling from Boston to Chicago in horse and carriage to traveling the same route in an automobile.
It’s nice that Conner got under Ryan Hall’s Boston time so he has the fastest time under any conditions. The advantage Conner has over the other Americans is he started running marathons at a younger age . Most of the top Americans wait until they’re past their prime . Frank Shorter was 24 when he won the Olympics .