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8 months ago 09/20/2025 11:27am EDT

re: Trackier

Coleman is generally considered the best starter. He passed the guy in the lane next to him, which usually happens in junior high. He is fantastic at the blocks and the curve. Which is different than a straight away. Coleman is the least of the problems with the 4x1.

When I see things like only putting down one piece of tape for the in coming runner (as opposed to two pieces of tape to create a 'go zone'), runner running out of the zone because they didn't hear someone say "stick" (as opposed to counting steps), instead of putting down a piece of tape that marks when you put your hand back regardless of where the incoming runner is, I really have to scratch my head.

It has to be the exact same every time you run it. There are no variables allowed for.

8 months ago 09/20/2025 11:27am EDT

re: Trackier

Trackier wrote:
You are wrong. Stupid decisions like putting Coleman first shows US relay coaches don’t understand the relay. Also, you don’t need your fastest guy last - except for their ego. They should be able to have Lyles run 115 m and have the leadoff guy run 90 if the knew what they were doing and placed Lyles 2nd. Coleman should not be on the A team. He finished 5th at trials. They each run approximately 100m, so his good start shouldn’t put him on the team if 4 guys are faster than him over 100. Just basic stuff like that.

you want the no.2 leg to take a handoff with only a 10 meter running start? lol. he's not even close to full speed at that point.

8 months ago 09/20/2025 11:29am EDT

re: usa usa

what time is this thing going off, and will we be able to watch it???

8 months ago 09/20/2025 11:30am EDT

re: US flops in the 4x400

US flops in the 4x400 wrote:
RaceOff wrote:
Sure, the US depth in the 400m is great this year,
Really? How many were in the 400m open final a few days ago?
Answer: (1)
Where did he place?
Answer: (7th)
I'd re-think that 400m depth statement.

How do you define depth? 10 of the fastest 21 men in the world this year are American.

worldathletics.org

400 Metres - men - senior - all - 2025

Open link

8 months ago 09/20/2025 11:31am EDT

re: RichardRider

RichardRider wrote:
high school xc coach wrote:
the second leg is SO IMPORTANT to ensure a clean exchange on the 2nd handoff. Great post!!
The whole point of firing a very successful relay coach was supposedly to prepare team usa for a higher level in prep for LA 28. That lady had an incredible record of success choosing the right people at the right time for the right reasons and her record proved it. The politically appointed dingus in charge now will make excuses and blame everyone else and yet we are not even in a final let alone medaling. People who dont have a record of winning should never replace those who do for any reason if winning is important. I guess they just wanted to lose.

Justice for Mechelle Freeman!

8 months ago 09/20/2025 11:38am EDT

re: US flops in the 4x400

US flops in the 4x400 wrote:
I'd re-think that 400m depth statement.

Not going to argue the US men flopped in the 400m open. Running sub-44 in the heats and almost a second slower in the final? Don't get me started.

And Botswana ran great. Hats off. I've been looking forward to the 4x400 rematch since Paris.

But the US has 9 of the top 18 fastest men this year, all under 44.40 (incidentally is Eppie's fastest mark this year). And that's not counting Rai Benjamin who hasn't run a 400 flat, but is clearly capable of it.

So yeah. Depth, check. Running well in Tokyo.. nope.

The US men should make the final. Whether they can win the gold? Remains to be seen.

8 months ago 09/20/2025 12:09pm EDT

re: Relay Umpire

Relay Umpire wrote:
They were interfered with. So reinstated. Hopefully putting Rae Benjamin in will help.!?! It's true that those young guys did not do well and were a poor choice to run the prelim and did not run smart!

Yes, but they were only in that position to be interfered with because the outgoing runner was lined up in the wrong place and the incoming runner was also in the wrong place because of it.

Smith is 4th at 200. Deadmon is lined up 3rd. Cut and dry.

It's literally taught in middle school track. Every single clerk tells you before every relay. Outgoing runners lineup by the order at 200. If there is any confusion, the clerk will call it out. If you jostle, move, whatever, you're risking DQ.

Again, incompetent coaching on the relays.

8 months ago 09/20/2025 12:13pm EDT

re: washed up d3 sprinter

Not only that, if you've ever run indoor in your life, you know that 99% of all issues and problems in relays happen in the exchange zone. That's why you don't put your 5th, 7th, 8th, and 9th best guys in the prelim heat -- not even counting someone like Rai Benjamin, who should be in the final, if they make it there -- and that's why you don't put them in the order that they did.

You want to make sure you don't have any issues? Hand off first.

8 months ago 09/20/2025 12:24pm EDT

re: Dutch Sprinter

another glaring example of how so many posters here do not know a f'ing thing about track...the only thing as good as USA getting another chance because they were impeded in Jamaica bombing out of the 4x1

8 months ago 09/20/2025 4:28pm EDT

re: McRunnin

McRunnin wrote:
US flops in the 4x400 wrote:
Really? How many were in the 400m open final a few days ago?
Answer: (1)
Where did he place?
Answer: (7th)
I'd re-think that 400m depth statement.
How do you define depth? 10 of the fastest 21 men in the world this year are American.
Link:worldathletics.org/records/toplists/sp...

If only one American can make the 400m final, you're not that deep.

8 months ago 09/20/2025 5:23pm EDT

re: malmo

malmo wrote:
Trackier wrote:
You are wrong. Stupid decisions like putting Coleman first shows US relay coaches don’t understand the relay. Also, you don’t need your fastest guy last - except for their ego. They should be able to have Lyles run 115 m and have the leadoff guy run 90 if the knew what they were doing and placed Lyles 2nd. Coleman should not be on the A team. He finished 5th at trials. They each run approximately 100m, so his good start shouldn’t put him on the team if 4 guys are faster than him over 100. Just basic stuff like that.
No you are wrong. National teams always put in the B teams in the Semis, saving their best for the final. All 8 runners get awarded a medal. Just basic stuff like that.

Didn’t they change that rule that you can’t switch out that many. I know in the mixed relay it was only one switch allowed.

8 months ago 09/20/2025 6:05pm EDT

re: rzimmerman41

rzimmerman41 wrote:
another glaring example of how so many posters here do not know a f'ing thing about track...the only thing as good as USA getting another chance because they were impeded in Jamaica bombing out of the 4x1

The USA was legitimately impeded. You cannot dispute that.

8 months ago 09/20/2025 7:36pm EDT

re: malmo

malmo wrote:
No you are wrong. National teams always put in the B teams in the Semis, saving their best for the final. All 8 runners get awarded a medal. Just basic stuff like that.

No, that's not always the case.

8 months ago 09/20/2025 7:48pm EDT

re: Basic Stuff

Smith is coached by the relays coach. He has run under 45 seconds ONCE in his life. 7th at Nationals. DQ, was NOT HIS FAULT! However, why was he even on the line over Norwood , McRae, even Dean? Complete bull___.

Corruption lives in USATF

8 months ago 09/20/2025 8:11pm EDT

re: Basic Stuff

Basic Stuff wrote:
malmo wrote:
No you are wrong. National teams always put in the B teams in the Semis, saving their best for the final. All 8 runners get awarded a medal. Just basic stuff like that.
No, that's not always the case.

Name a time that it wasn't?

8 months ago 09/20/2025 9:13pm EDT

re: malmo

malmo wrote:
Name a time that it wasn't?

Paris Olympics, 2024. For instance...Japan, Botswana, France, Belgium all had identical lineups in heats and finals. USA had 3/4 same runners.

Just basic things.

8 months ago 09/20/2025 10:51pm EDT

re: Trackier

Trackier wrote:
You are wrong. Stupid decisions like putting Coleman first shows US relay coaches don’t understand the relay. Also, you don’t need your fastest guy last - except for their ego. They should be able to have Lyles run 115 m and have the leadoff guy run 90 if the knew what they were doing and placed Lyles 2nd. Coleman should not be on the A team. He finished 5th at trials. They each run approximately 100m, so his good start shouldn’t put him on the team if 4 guys are faster than him over 100. Just basic stuff like that.

You should sit this one out with those opinions

8 months ago 09/21/2025 12:42am EDT

re: malmo

malmo wrote:
rzimmerman41 wrote:
another glaring example of how so many posters here do not know a f'ing thing about track...the only thing as good as USA getting another chance because they were impeded in Jamaica bombing out of the 4x1
The USA was legitimately impeded. You cannot dispute that.

i am not american but usa is by far my favorite running country, obviouslly had a good time there, versus other ahole countries, or lesser.

that said i am probably not the best fan.

i laugh with the relay folly, as wtf year after year comedy, as if beethoven suddenly lays an egg in certain cirumstances.

that said, with reinstatement, hell ya, amerka, its the only way to go.

love it.

8 months ago 09/21/2025 12:56am EDT

re: longjackssss

Looks like they made it through in their tête-à-tête with Kenya. We’ll see what happens in these finals

8 months ago 09/21/2025 1:31am EDT

re: usa usa

Only one dude under 14😭. Jesuit 2nd tho

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