The trial court woodchippering the meat of her lawsuit and then the settlement as a result
I get the impression that you dislike Cain and side with Salazar. That he harassed her over her weight and shamed her in front of other teammates was supported. The jury wouldn’t been LR and I think they would have been sympathetic towards Mary.
Wood chipping meat makes me think of that scene in Fargo.
One thing that doesn’t get talked about in youth sports is how many people are complicit in the “win-at-all-costs” approach, and it’s usually not the coaches. Greedy parents or executives seeing how they could “profit” of their child.
When her parents made the decision to forgo college and high school, and become a pro athlete, as a minor, there should be finger pointing there — Her parents, nike, etc, all the folks that whispered in her ear that she was going to be a world beater. What they did instead was create an entitled adult with little self-awareness but major insecurities.
Bronxville had an excellent team with a coach that cared about the whole development of the athlete and the team. Their team was fantastic at the 4x8 and cross country without her for many years.
I personally coach in youth sports. The amount of coaches that care about the well being of their athletes greatly outweigh the coaches that see talent and want to push.
im sorry that she went through abuse and other difficulties, but her choice to follow her path was a self-made decision by inhertly selfish people. I cannot empathize with someone who has had that many advantages and choices in life.
From what I heard from girl friends on the Bronxville team and a former coach of the team is that she didn’t want to train with the girls, but rather with the boys, because extensivly she thought she was better than the girls team.
that’s a hard team dynamic to handle, but it starts with the athlete here. Why would she leave if she was gracious? If it was bullying by slower athletes, why couldn’t she go to the coaches and address the situation?
- 4:04 1500 (breaks her own highschool record by 7 seconds, and the previous record by 10 seconds), - US indoor champion at 1500 - US outdoor silver medalist - World Championship Finalist
Plenty of reason to care about this person. She was Cooper Lutkenhaus level for a full year and a half in highschool. She wasn't just a fast highschool runner. She was the youngest ever world championships competitor for the US in all of track and field history at that time.
I dislike how after the fact she spun a narrative that wasn’t truthful. She used her victimhood as a way of remaining relevant when she was no longer a competitor. And it has benefitted her financially via Atalanta (which she also abandoned) and by using it to get into med school.
Her lawsuit was DOA and she settled because there was no path forward.
I dislike how after the fact she spun a narrative that wasn’t truthful. She used her victimhood as a way of remaining relevant when she was no longer a competitor. And it has benefitted her financially via Atalanta (which she also abandoned) and by using it to get into med school.
Her lawsuit was DOA and she settled because there was no path forward.
A victim story like hers is a goldmine. The higher education folks live for that. I really can't stand her anymore. She is way past her 5 minutes. You have been nothing for a long time. Move on. Go to med school and become a doctor.
Hard disagree. Saying “everyone is at fault” flattens the reality of the situation, and suggests everyone deserves equal blame.
There are reasons why Mary couldn’t run on her high school team. She said she was bullied off of her team. Now, it’s possible there was more to the story than that, but before Salazar was even in the picture, it was an unwelcoming environment to be there. Bronxville is not an easy place if you don’t fit in.
People always knew about Salazar, but back in 2012 you had to dig deep into the rumor mill to actually find out the truth about him. I don’t think Mary’s family was equipped to do that. Mary’s parents probably thought he was a savior that came to help them when they already found themselves in a difficult situation. They only knew he was a successful professional coach hot of the London Olympics. Kara had just left his coaching. Nothing about him had come to the public yet. They were probably honored to have him coach their daughter. And they didn’t ship Mary off to Portland. If they sent her to live there when she was sixteen, that would have been shipping off. But Mary went to Portland for college. That’s different.
Now, it’s totally possible that mistakes were made by Mary’s family. It’s possible that her ostracization on the team was due to the way she and her family behaved too. But none of that excuses Salazar’s behavior and the way he ran that team.
The thought that Mary Cain went to Portland to go to college is absurd. She went to Portland to train as a track athlete. She went out there with, apparently, no support or peer group to surround herself with and instead was thrown in with a group of mature athletes and not college students. I said at the time that the parents need to tread lightly in agreeing to this set up...assuming they did.
It appears that you are posting from an angle of being some sort of insider and are going to give her every possible doubt in her favor. That's ok however it makes everything you post less than genuine.
As an aside, how much info other than what is already public can be told in a book as I'm going to guess that any settlement would have contained a pretty solid NDA.
Setting the record straight here, I am NOT an insider. I don’t know her, and I literally stated so in my first post.
Everything I’ve said here comes from public knowledge, mainly podcasts and interviews she’s done. I was definitely interested in the story.
I think what gets me about this story is the way people just believe what they want to regardless of hard evidence presented to the contrary. People really just want to believe she was a lazy burnout when she’s provided a mountain of evidence stating otherwise.
As a 17 years old Mary Cain made it to the IAAF World Championships in 2013 in Moscow, becoming the youngest American to ever compete in a senior World Championship. She qualified for the 1500m final, making her the youngest athlete to ever reach that stage in the history of the World Championships. She also won a gold medal at the 2014 IAAF World Junior Championships. So she has done better than any junior athlete including Cooper Lutkenhaus unless he makes the final. People just don't understand hoe great she was. If she wasn't destroyed by a abusing coach she may have been the greatest American female runner in history. Good for her and her suit and whatever she needs to do :)
From what I heard from girl friends on the Bronxville team and a former coach of the team is that she didn’t want to train with the girls, but rather with the boys...
My high school and college programs, the boys and girls trained together. Not all our miles/workouts, but we met together for stretch/warmup, and did supplemental stuff like weight room in mixed gender groups. It worked fine. Some runs some girls would get mixed in with the boys or vice versa. Like if we were doing say 1000m repeats, we had a few girls who could hang with the mid-pack and back-pack boys. Or at times some of the boys would be taking it easy, maybe to try to manage an injury, so they'd end up pacing girls. We just had 1 coach in high school, that maybe played a role. But in college we had a men's coach and a separate women's coach and we still did combined team workouts at times. When I became a coach, for our men's team, we did the same thing. I think it was helpful for all team members.
From what I heard from girl friends on the Bronxville team and a former coach of the team is that she didn’t want to train with the girls, but rather with the boys, because extensivly she thought she was better than the girls team.
that’s a hard team dynamic to handle, but it starts with the athlete here. Why would she leave if she was gracious? If it was bullying by slower athletes, why couldn’t she go to the coaches and address the situation?
it makes complete sense for her to train with the boys in high school. maybe she's just not a people person, and was alienated from the other girls for other reasons. high school kids aren't really very empathetic towards people with crappy social skills. and those people are often misinterpreted as arrogant
I’m not going to waste my time reading the book. I’ll wait for the movie to come out. I, for one, would like to see lil’ Mary played by Alexi Pappas, AlSal played by Gary Bussey, Shannon Rowburry played by Torri Spelling and lovable Doc Cain played by Anthony Hopkins
Sad. Probably the biggest flop in running history. Its common though with girl HS runners after graduating HS. Cain was not mentally tough at all. Full of excuses. She's at Stanford Medical School though. Great. Remember Amber Trotter, Sarah Baxter years ago. Top HS XC runners in HS USA. Then you have huge fails the last 8 years- Claudia Lane, Brie Oakley, Natalie Cook, Dalia Frias. Many of the Footlocker XC winners and top 10 Footlocker and NXN girls bombed after leaving HS. Think Diljeet BYU coach is taking it easy with HS GOAT Jane Hedengren so she doesnt bomb like Brie Oakley, etc. Natalie Cook has vanished. One of the very few who did well in College past MANY years was Katelyn Tuohy. Parker Valby has now vanished. Good luck to Jane H and Sadie Engelhardt this fall!!