I'm certain Hodgkinson could run a sub 4 1500m within a month if she wanted to.
Almost certain, Hunter Bell has the 3:52 NR in the same training group, she'd be able to stay within 7.5 seconds of Hunter Bell.
Athing Mu's teammate is the best 400m/400m hurdler of all time, she beat the 200m champ at the 200m, and her ex boyfriend runs 1:43/3:33 or something like that. Can we extrapolate her times from them? Or at least boost one of her PR's by 38 seconds too?
As of right now? Probably Mu, just, but that's probably going to change in a month when Hodgkinson picks up her first WC Gold.
I think Mu, physically, is the more gifted athlete given she has quicker 400m and 1500m PBs, but Hodgkinson is, comfortably, the more driven and more headstrong of the two.
Strategically, she's also far better as well.
It's ironic because 2-3 years of Keely coming 2nd to Mu and Moraa over the years has probably helped make her into the driven, highly motivated athlete that she is now.
The best objective answer from the Keely side. Not mad at it.
When people start trying to boost silvers into golds which they'll never ever be or even be equivalent with that's when logic has left the room, or dismiss head to head records in championships while trying to compare resumes for example that's blasphemous and disingenuous.
The PR Range comparison is completely undeniable. Could Keely make the British 4x4 team? Valid question.
The head to head record is completely undeniable.
But the things you stated are great points in her favor. Keely has consistency and dominance (over others not Mu) in her favor.
On the josh kerr vs Centro thread I don't think anyone said kerr's two Olympic medals are considered better than Centrowitz one gold except for maybe me. But on this thread two Olympic golds and a world champs gold head to head are worse than 1 gold + a "pending world champs gold". Logically makes no sense to me.
Keely's 400m PB of 51.61 would put her 7th in the UK this year. If she could go sub 50.8 she would be 3rd, I think she could do it and get on the team but that just isn't the focus.
Mu has run 44 400m races including relays, Hodgkinson has done exactly half that with 22. If she had that much practice, she could get on the British 4x4.
The H2H record isn't really relevant when for the past 2 years Athing Mu has even made a major championship, heck the only time she has left America in the last 3 years Keely beat her. Hard to beat somebody that can't even qualify for a major championship or even race outside of the country they were born in.
Mu's best 800m this year is 1:59:79, Hodgkinson has run 38 800m races in the last 4 years, only ran slower than that 8 times and all 8 times were in championships to send her through to the next round. As I said H2H is irrelevant when one athlete can't even get into the fast races.
Almost certain, Hunter Bell has the 3:52 NR in the same training group, she'd be able to stay within 7.5 seconds of Hunter Bell.
Athing Mu's teammate is the best 400m/400m hurdler of all time, she beat the 200m champ at the 200m, and her ex boyfriend runs 1:43/3:33 or something like that. Can we extrapolate her times from them? Or at least boost one of her PR's by 38 seconds too?
Hodgkinson ran 4:29 in the 1500m in 2018, 1 month after turning 16. Her PB in the 800m at the time was 2:06:85.
She's now 23, the 6th fastest 800m runner of all time with 1:54:61 and you're going to hold her to that 1500m PB, which is just under 72 second lapping, bit ridiculous.
Keely has been putting it on the line. Mu has not. Kersee’s methods and secret sauce aren’t doing it for Mu. Maybe Mu believed going in that Kersee’s PED regimen would allow her to barely practice, and she’s discovered that isn’t the case.
Your theory ties in well with many have felt is a bit of laziness in her character. You may have nailed it much to the chagrin of the wokies that predominate on this board.
I agree. She became spoiled and thought Kersee’s PED approach meant no more hard work.
Your theory ties in well with many have felt is a bit of laziness in her character. You may have nailed it much to the chagrin of the wokies that predominate on this board.
I agree. She became spoiled and thought Kersee’s PED approach meant no more hard work.
Lmao you can't simultaneously say she's doping all while she's so much worse than she's ever been and for a while. What the hell is she doping for 2:03's?
Athing Mu's teammate is the best 400m/400m hurdler of all time, she beat the 200m champ at the 200m, and her ex boyfriend runs 1:43/3:33 or something like that. Can we extrapolate her times from them? Or at least boost one of her PR's by 38 seconds too?
Hodgkinson ran 4:29 in the 1500m in 2018, 1 month after turning 16. Her PB in the 800m at the time was 2:06:85.
She's now 23, the 6th fastest 800m runner of all time with 1:54:61 and you're going to hold her to that 1500m PB, which is just under 72 second lapping, bit ridiculous.
Id put her in the 4:05-3:57 range. Don't want to give her too much credit without proof. I also would rate the 4:03 version of Athing Mu slightly under 4:00 in a time trial.
BUT someone insinuating in a debate about resumes and full range of PR's that Keely would be faster when her official pr is 30s slower than the comparison that comes off as a bit biased. They both run 1:54. Using Georgia as a measuring stick is fine of you guys would use at the very least 2022 Sydney McLaughlin as A thing Mu's real 400m time or relativity.. or even Nikki hiltz?? as the measuring stick which no one would ever do for Athing on this thread from what I see.
I agree. She became spoiled and thought Kersee’s PED approach meant no more hard work.
Lmao you can't simultaneously say she's doping all while she's so much worse than she's ever been and for a while. What the hell is she doping for 2:03's?
Wow you really missed his point. How dumb are you?
Has Keely ever won a race that Mu was in? No, never.
Has Mu ever won a race that Keely was in? Yes, including an Olympic final, a Worlds final, and a Diamond League final.
Keeley doesn't have a better head to head record because Mu can't even qualify for the Olympics or World Championships now. It's not Keeley's fault that Mu was hasn't shown up to any big races in 2 years.
Keeley was the 2nd best runner in the world for 3 years, and now the best runner in the world for 2 years. Mu was the best runner in the world for 2 years, and hasn't been in the top 50 since.
MASSIVE ADVANTAGE FOR KEELEY.
This would be like a great golfer beating Jack a couple times before he retired, then saying X is better than Jack cuz he is up 3-1 and will always be for eternity
These are 2 of the 4 head-to-head wins that the Mu crowd keep hyping. That's like maybe one cumulative meter between 2 races. Meanwhile it doesn't take a rocket scientist to imagine what it would look like if they raced right now. Raevyn Rogers just ran 1:57, two seconds faster than Athing did in her best race this year and Raevyn wasn't even in the frame with Keely.
yes comparing a head to head in T&F to the QB's from a team sport where they are only on the field half the game each and there are 21 other players on the field at the same time. Clearly this is a good faith argument.
Ah yes, the classic argument. "Well yes she beat her but it wasn't by a lot". Wasn't aware that gold medals counted differently based on how much you won by.
So dominance doesn't matter at all. Got it. Doesn't matter if you win by 30 meters or if you win by photo finish. A win is a win, right? I guess that also means a loss is a loss, no matter how atrocious it is. Doesn't matter if you get out leaned at the line at worlds or if only get out of the quarterfinals at nationals then get sent directly home. Both are the same, though, they both lost. You either win or you lose, it's that simple. Great logic.
dominance does matter. It matters in the W/L column which Mu currently dominates.
Like i said previously, if Keely wins gold in a month she takes the crown over Mu in my eyes. But saying sh*t like "get outleaned at the line" is creating an incredibly false narrative. I'd disagree if you wanted to call what happend in 2022 "outleaned at the line" It felt more like once Mu realized Keely was there she found another gear and beat her again. But go back and watch the 2021 final. Mu F*ing dominated. Keely was never remotely in contention.