1 year and 11 days after her last race and almost PRs. Nothing to see here.
Brazier does nothing for three years, runs 1:44, 1:43, 1:43, 1:42 “on four and and a hlaf months training” and nothing but crickets. His protective coloring gets him a pass from folks like you.
If you accuse Keely, you must accuse Donavan, pure and simple. Their trajectories are exceedingly parallel
The true prejudice emerges in the oncoming downvotes (I happen to think both are clean).
I'm not from the region but its a common knowledge among us the fast African are nasty runners in Middle distances. Keely could be appealing to some but she must thank the new shoes and the withdraw of Athing Mu who is no more interested in running.
Is is so hard to acknowledge the truth?
Over 400 Kenyans alone suspended for drugs. Is it so hard to acknowledge the truth? Apparently it is for racists like yourself.
400 Kenyans but zero Egyptian and zero Cameroonian...
and also zero medals, records for both countries in Middle/Long distances.
Is the Kenya is the only "evil" country in Africa?
Brazier's career has been the polar opposite of runners like Odira and Nowe. Rather than running so-so times for years and then exploding onto the world stage in their mid-20s, he ran a negative split 1:47 as a senior in hs and then as that predicted, broke Jim Ryun's national collegiate record and former world record as a freshman in college. He dealt with injuries and poor tactics but gradually broke on through by 2019 to an AR and world championship gold. In 2020, he would likely have won Olympic gold. He then went through years of injury before getting healthy and training with Mike Smith and multiple talents at altitude to get to this level, slightly faster--but with much faster shoes and presumably bicarb and faster competitors--again in his first healthy year. So, no, I don't think Brazier is at all suspect like these others.
Kenya? The country deeply rooted in doping scandals for decades, ah yes that's the one.
I'm not from the region but its a common knowledge among us the fast African are nasty runners in Middle distances. Keely could be appealing to some but she must thank the new shoes and the withdraw of Athing Mu who is no more interested in running.
Is is so hard to acknowledge the truth?
If Hodgkinson was still putting in times slower than Mu's PB, I'd be inclined to agree, but she's now run quicker than Mu's PB twice in 2 years.
Funny. 4 years ago, people thought Mu was the generational athlete and Hodgkinson was just the pretender.
It's actually ended up being the other way around the biggest difference between them is between the ears. One of them has 'it' and the other one doesn't.
Hodgkinson's putting in quick 'season openers' isn't unusual for her. We'll see if she can maintain or improve upon it over the next month or two.
She ran a 1:55 PB in Paris a couple of years ago and then didn't improve on it through the remainder of that season.
More importantly, at worlds she'll be running two rounds before the final. I haven't seen the schedule, but in Paris she won comfortably in 1:56 even though she ran 1:54 earlier in the year. What this does suggest though, is that if she'd had a full season, maybe she could have take a run at getting towards 1:53 in a DL.
Keely will get into the 1:53's, I have no doubt about that, but it likely won't be this season. Painter seems quite confident though, if his recent social media activity is anything to go by.
She's still only 23 at the end of the day. Provided she stays healthy, she'll have plenty of time to go after those records.
Brazier's career has been the polar opposite of runners like Odira and Nowe. Rather than running so-so times for years and then exploding onto the world stage in their mid-20s, he ran a negative split 1:47 as a senior in hs and then as that predicted, broke Jim Ryun's national collegiate record and former world record as a freshman in college. He dealt with injuries and poor tactics but gradually broke on through by 2019 to an AR and world championship gold. In 2020, he would likely have won Olympic gold. He then went through years of injury before getting healthy and training with Mike Smith and multiple talents at altitude to get to this level, slightly faster--but with much faster shoes and presumably bicarb and faster competitors--again in his first healthy year. So, no, I don't think Brazier is at all suspect like these others.
We have many bridges to sell you. Brazier’s camp is claiming 5 months of training. lol Preceeded by almost three years of nothing. Double the laughs. You also slightly exaggerated some of Brazier’s early heroics. No one is saying they dislike Brazier. No one denies he’s talented. It’s obvious he’s on the sauce and it’s obvious the people who attack Keely and Cooper will fall over backward to defend black athletes even when the doping is incredibly obvious.
Kenyans publically support their ridiculous outliers like Ruth C, blindly. I called her immediately. I got pushback from them. Where are they now that was ingesting enough masking agent to hide elephant tranquilizers.
It will be funny to see the flimsy defences from the Brits when she breaks Kratochvilova record. "but but but the 800m women record is weak, a clean athlete can totally break it!"
yes,and they'll insist she's clean,and the kenyan and botswanan she beat are doped to the eyeballs.
Super impressive. Did you see how well she is coached? She was the only one to take the full 100m between 100 and 200 to get to lane 1. Everyone else ran in too quickly.
Credit to the pacer Lisanne de Witte. She ran the tangent from lane 9. Keely followed her from lane 8. After the race Keely said the pacemaker did a perfect job.
It should be a good career extender for Lisanne. I'm not sure if she will be named to the Dutch 4 x 400 team for Tokyo. She ran third leg on the silver medal team last year, handing off to Femke. But nowadays they are trying to phase in younger runners toward Los Angeles.
Pacing an 800 is ideal for Lisanne because that's her normal tempo anyway. She runs evenly instead of fly and die.
Today was the first time I saw her exit the track to the inside instead of drifting outside. Normally she takes it to 500 but Keely was too fast and eager for that.
The only reason people here thought Mu had the most talent was because Mu was Sudanese and Keely is a blonde white girl. In other words, racism. And it's suspicious AF the way Mu can no longer even quailfy for the national finals when she should be at her peak. Of course, she is an American Sudanese, so she gets a pass. Keely is the dirty one for coming back from injury and running well.
When I saw "Hodgkinson" it looked at first like it said "hogan" and then it dawned on me. She IS Hogan.
When Hulk Hogan died, his mighty spirit of Hulkamania had to be reincarnated somewhere worthy. So it entered the soul of this 800m elite, who may not be a real American but still probably says prayers, eats vitamins, and definitly just ran wild on her opponents.
The only reason people here thought Mu had the most talent was because Mu was Sudanese and Keely is a blonde white girl. In other words, racism. And it's suspicious AF the way Mu can no longer even quailfy for the national finals when she should be at her peak. Of course, she is an American Sudanese, so she gets a pass. Keely is the dirty one for coming back from injury and running well.
I thought the main reason was that she was pretty much unbeatable at her best (including by Keely).
I'm not really convinced people were suggesting the girl 10 yards clear of the field in every race was the best because she was Sudanese in descent, I think it was more the fact she was 10 yards clear of the field in every race.
So no one is going to question an all time top 10 performance from an opening effort after an injury??
A spoonful of sugar helps the copium go down.
You mean like Josette Andrews out of nowhere #3 US all time “breakthrough” of 14:26 at age 30 after her injury last year? Yeah totally sus and obviously something going on.
The only reason people here thought Mu had the most talent was because Mu was Sudanese and Keely is a blonde white girl. In other words, racism. And it's suspicious AF the way Mu can no longer even quailfy for the national finals when she should be at her peak. Of course, she is an American Sudanese, so she gets a pass. Keely is the dirty one for coming back from injury and running well.
It's nothing to do with race. The main issue is that when people on LRC talk about "talent", what they really mean is "this person ran fast in school." The problem with that, is that high school times are only taken seriously in the US. There is a strong culture of chasing high school records or performance marks like a boy's sub-4 mile. That doesn't really exist in most other countries. In the UK, it's not that young athletes don't care about times (they do, to an extent), but they don't chase them. I think I'm right in saying that Steve Cram is the only British person who has ever run sub-4 under the age of 18 and he was obviously one of the greats. How many Americans kids break 4 every year? And it's not like Britain hasn't produced exceptional miles at the senior level. We're all those British guys over the decades lesser talents than their US counterparts, but simply worked harder to get to the elite level? I don't think so. I think they were just as talented but there was no need to chase the times to demonstrate this talent. Jake Wightman is a good example: no one would look at his junior record and think he was super talented, to the extent he could win a World Championship in an era where 3:29 is the norm. But the British junior system has been largely built around racing and any good times that come are incidental. There's advantages and disadvantages to that, especially when those athletes transition to the senior level. But what this means is that identifying "talent" at a young age across different systems of athlete development is really difficult if your only metric is "how fast can they run?"
So, yeah, if you index on high school times, you will believe that Mu is the more talented athlete. But take that away and just look at their professional records, does it suggest Mu is definitely the more talented?
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When I saw "Hodgkinson" it looked at first like it said "hogan" and then it dawned on me. She IS Hogan.
When Hulk Hogan died, his mighty spirit of Hulkamania had to be reincarnated somewhere worthy. So it entered the soul of this 800m elite, who may not be a real American but still probably says prayers, eats vitamins, and definitly just ran wild on her opponents.
Hogan took more steroids than the entire track and field community combined. Also, he was an incredible DB.
It will be funny to see the flimsy defences from the Brits when she breaks Kratochvilova record. "but but but the 800m women record is weak, a clean athlete can totally break it!"
had a kenyan done what she just did: TO THE GILLS!
but a pretty white girl: IMPRESSIVE!
and you guys know it 🤦🏻
This time is only 1.27 seconds quicker than she ran as a teenager. It's not some monster improvement in her late 20s. Stop with the anti-white drivel.
The only reason people here thought Mu had the most talent was because Mu was Sudanese and Keely is a blonde white girl. In other words, racism. And it's suspicious AF the way Mu can no longer even quailfy for the national finals when she should be at her peak. Of course, she is an American Sudanese, so she gets a pass. Keely is the dirty one for coming back from injury and running well.
The reason why people thought Mu had more talent was because she was faster than Keely when they were both teens. Nothing to do with blondeness or Sudanese origins.
#71 7 hours ago 08/17/2025 4:54am EDT re: xy.. Reply Back To Index When I saw "Hodgkinson" it looked at first like it said "hogan" and then it dawned on me. She IS Hogan.
When Hulk Hogan died, his mighty spirit of Hulkamania had to be reincarnated somewhere worthy. So it entered the soul of this 800m elite, who may not be a real American but still probably says prayers, eats vitamins, and definitly just ran wild on her opponents.