if she looks in every book she can find her best cranny
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Badcompany wrote:
Pablo p wrote:
Like listing the best hitters in the minor leagues.
It’s exactly what American Distance Running is: AAA Ball.
Illogical. She finishes around top 10 in 2 olympics and 2 worlds. That is world class I would assume?
Frankly, if you even go to Worlds you are world class.
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bigmig19 wrote:
Badcompany wrote:
It’s exactly what American Distance Running is: AAA Ball.
Illogical. She finishes around top 10 in 2 olympics and 2 worlds. That is world class I would assume?
Frankly, if you even go to Worlds you are world class.
Zero global medals.
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I hate questions that invite moving the goalposts all over the place. Define the location of the goalposts FIRST, then apply people's accomplishments to the definition.
What is "World Class?"
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RossiCheated wrote:
I hate questions that invite moving the goalposts all over the place. Define the location of the goalposts FIRST, then apply people's accomplishments to the definition.
What is "World Class?"
Let’s say top 8 at Olympic / world. World athletics profiles show top 8 so I’ll say that’s the cutoff
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Medal count wrote:
RossiCheated wrote:
I hate questions that invite moving the goalposts all over the place. Define the location of the goalposts FIRST, then apply people's accomplishments to the definition.
What is "World Class?"
Let’s say top 8 at Olympic / world. World athletics profiles show top 8 so I’ll say that’s the cutoff
You all have a very different definition of world class than I do. So the number of world class athletes in (either kind of) football can't even fill out a starting 11?
Even if you want to equate a track event to a position in a team sport, you would still be saying that most pros on the top level of these sports aren't world class.
Or does distance running get fewer "world class" athletes than team sports do, despite the fact that there are few events in any sport that more people have tried/trained for/trained seriously for than running the 5k?
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automorphic wrote:
Medal count wrote:
Let’s say top 8 at Olympic / world. World athletics profiles show top 8 so I’ll say that’s the cutoff
You all have a very different definition of world class than I do. So the number of world class athletes in (either kind of) football can't even fill out a starting 11?
Even if you want to equate a track event to a position in a team sport, you would still be saying that most pros on the top level of these sports aren't world class.
Or does distance running get fewer "world class" athletes than team sports do, despite the fact that there are few events in any sport that more people have tried/trained for/trained seriously for than running the 5k?
I agree.
Are the top eight in the Olympics "World Class"? For sure.
But I put the bar a lot lower.
Olympic qualifiers.
World Championship qualifiers.
Top ten in any major marathon.
If the athlete is from a country in which making the Olympic or World team is incredibly difficult (America in the 400 meters), you can be World Class if you are invited to Diamond League meets.
My point is that we should establish the goal posts first, but even that is pretty hard.
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automorphic wrote:
Medal count wrote:
Let’s say top 8 at Olympic / world. World athletics profiles show top 8 so I’ll say that’s the cutoff
You all have a very different definition of world class than I do. So the number of world class athletes in (either kind of) football can't even fill out a starting 11?
Even if you want to equate a track event to a position in a team sport, you would still be saying that most pros on the top level of these sports aren't world class.
Or does distance running get fewer "world class" athletes than team sports do, despite the fact that there are few events in any sport that more people have tried/trained for/trained seriously for than running the 5k?
I agree with you mostly. It’s just that there’s so little money in track, I view world class as actually contending for medals. Football is much different
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tfrrsftw wrote:
There’s at least a couple US soccer players who most would consider world-class, Pulisic being the easiest example. Honestly his standing in the soccer world is rather similar to Cranny’s in distance running - one of the very best Americans, but merely very good compared to those at the absolute top of the sport. And I doubt any global football fan would take umbrage at describing Pulisic as a world-class player.
Pulisic is not world class. Too good for MLS, but not good enough otherwise. Except for a couple of teams, Serie A is where careers go to die.
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MattHatter wrote:
Humbling showing wrote:
She posted in instagram about getting her ass kicked and it being embarrassing and humbling.
Most people can relate to being mid-training, not feeling your best and racing horribly. It happens to pros too. In a typical season, you can just scratch an early season race if you feel bad. Unfortunately for Elise, she is locked into this league.
Hoping for her to turn stuff around it the next 4 weeks!
her performance at The Ten is when this happened. after a great indoor season I think she expected to ride that wave and hit the standard at The Ten then move right into Grand Slam. But she missed the standard and now has that hovering over her.
I think she'll work thru it, though, she's resilient.
she should have skipped GST and instead been the headliner at the save the 10,000
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Dr No wrote:
Love her but she gets her butt kicked against the Africans and others
Not just her. No American woman is even close to the best women in the world at 5000m and up
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I guess Mary Slaney wasn't world class, then.
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Medal count wrote:
bigmig19 wrote:
Illogical. She finishes around top 10 in 2 olympics and 2 worlds. That is world class I would assume?
Frankly, if you even go to Worlds you are world class.
Zero global medals.
So top 10 in the whole world is not world class in something? I think we have a definition issue. She is world class if she was in the olympics at all.
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Medal count wrote:
automorphic wrote:
You all have a very different definition of world class than I do. So the number of world class athletes in (either kind of) football can't even fill out a starting 11?
Even if you want to equate a track event to a position in a team sport, you would still be saying that most pros on the top level of these sports aren't world class.
Or does distance running get fewer "world class" athletes than team sports do, despite the fact that there are few events in any sport that more people have tried/trained for/trained seriously for than running the 5k?
I agree with you mostly. It’s just that there’s so little money in track, I view world class as actually contending for medals. Football is much different
If you only consider top 3 at the olympics i would say that is "elite" or the "best ever". Hardly anyone would call world class only the podium. That's just a reason to disrespect someone.
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Dr No wrote:
Love her but she gets her butt kicked against the Africans and others
So do you. You get your butt kicked at your local charity 5k.
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bigmig19 wrote:
Medal count wrote:
Zero global medals.
So top 10 in the whole world is not world class in something? I think we have a definition issue. She is world class if she was in the olympics at all.
I agree she is world class but part of what makes this an interesting discussion to me is that the gap between her and say the top 5 is quite large. At her best, she isn't going to come close to beating the best when they are near their best. If you take the 10th best soccer player, I don't think the gap is quite that large.
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I don't understand the discussion. Yes, Cranny/the top US distance women are far from the podium in the 5k.
So... what? You want them to quit? To give up? They're already trying their best. I'm confused as to what all of you want her to do.
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Confusing wrote:
I don't understand the discussion. Yes, Cranny/the top US distance women are far from the podium in the 5k.
So... what? You want them to quit? To give up? They're already trying their best. I'm confused as to what all of you want her to do.
She’s better than she’s racing. She needs a new coach. After a few really bad races it’s hard to watch
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