1590 SAT scorer, working at PhD level role at Google at 18, sues Cornell and other schools over racial discrimination.

The liberal judge would rule: the schools are totally justified to use DEI in their admission process. Case dismissed.
The conservative judge will overrule: wait! Since you are not white, you need to go to your own country. If you don’t have one, we will send you to El Salvador.
Who will you vote for?

you can look his grades up, he attached them to his lawsuit, which is posted online if you dig and follow links. yes, they are nearly perfect. but they are also generally NOT gifted or honors classes. i thought regular classes were easy. if you are MIT or berkley and used to getting endless honor roll report cards, and your job is admissions, you will notice some kid who has a bunch of regular, non-honors classes. you will come across far less serious.

where i grew up, you could take about 4 honors classes a semester. 2/3 my classes were honors. math, science, english, a language. then an elective and a sport period. which was demanding. and at that rate a perfect grade point weighted is slightly over 5. and 20%+ of my class is taking at least some of those classes and over 4 weighted. and the gap between unweighted and weighted becomes possibly over a point. indicating a hard schedule.

you're wrong on honors, where i lived, you could potentially be in honors science, math, english, and an upper level language. if you are truly the go-getter you suggest, you were in the correct junior high track to begin taking them as a frosh. i know i was. and then AP at the end was also honors.

you're so eager to defend the kid you're glitching on how does a kid with a 3.97 unweighted rank 9% and have only a 4.4 with near perfect grades. simple -- he was barely ever taking any honors classes.

so it's almost all As but the thing is when you're getting a stack of those kind of grades from similar smart kids and you have almost no honors classes you stand out as unserious.

editorial point but it's amusing to watch GOP become statistical discrimination advocates when they want to see it. historically they have resisted statistical arguments and demanded black people come up with hardcore proof someone is being racist, that person says they hate a race, the school is openly running a program, etc. shoe on the other foot and it's "but my numbers." "but there's no other way i get turned down." hmmmm

There are researchers at Google, and if the position he was accepted for typically requires a PhD then that’s probably what he applied for.

I’m cool with that, as long as they don’t take government grants or funding of any kind.

These elite private schools are an abomination. They CLEARLY discriminate. They also give preferential treatment to legacy applicants and rich applicants.

If the USA taxed endowments on these elite colleges, we could completely eliminate income tax for every American making under 500k per year. Cornell's endowment is 10 billion.

I basically agree with you, but if colleges were filled just in order of SAT scores/grades ...

MIT, Stanford, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, CalTech, Williams, Amherst and Swarthmore would be pretty dull campuses, have awful sports teams, and be about 40-50% Asian.

This by the way is the European model, where sports and extra curriculars are not considered in your application.

I don't know what you are talking about. Abe Lincoln was a member of the GOP. Hillary called black people "super predators". Biden said he doesn't want his kids growing up in a racial jungle and gave the Eulogy to KKK grandmaster Byrd.

The supreme court already found that elite colleges were discriminating in the case a few years ago.

If you are a liberal crying about equity for all, but you still support these colleges then you are the biggest hypocrites in the world.

This thread is about a yellow, oh excuse me, a white adjacent person.

This thread is about a lot of things. Baseballisfun wasn’t talking about the Asian litigator.

Nonsense.

The daughter of a friend if mine (she is currently a MD) was top five in her class at a suburb of Boston, 1600 SATs, school record holder in the HJ and hurdles, great painter, self taught musician who can hear something on piano and immediately play it. Parents are white working class. Rejected at Harvard and Bowdoin. Had she none of those non academic talents but gone on Birthright, all schools would have been fighting over her

There are 26k high schools in the US. If you accept the top 5 from all of them, Harvard needs to have a huge freshman class.

would your friend have score in the Ivy League HJ? Is she good enough to play piano at a professional level? How many people attended her art exhibition?

Harvard is for the top of the top not the very good. And nepo babies…

Look, I know it sucks that it’s easier for certain types of kids to get into schools than others. However, most of the types that complain about this overestimate how special they are and underestimate how annoying they are. Without specifics, I work in a competitive workplace that gets many applications for the same roles and certain applicants don’t seem to understand that they aren’t the only ones with high GPAs, test scores, aptitudes and qualifications. College and almost all jobs aren’t a test of pure intellect. If you’re arrogant, entitled, difficult to work with and be around, come into the place expecting to be above others… who would really want you? Meritocracy doesn’t mean SAT score and GPA or pure technical skills and IQ. Sorry, you can’t suck as a person just because you’re a human computer. If you are, go ahead and compete in a purely intellectual field like… oh they don’t exist. Maybe theoretical physics? Good luck.

When you get through all the preferences colleges use to select their classes, you just don't find a lot of students selected on a purely academic basis with regard to GPA and SAT scores. They don't want pure students to form their classes because they prioritize money and future influence. So, they devote a major portion of their spots to children and relatives of big donors, alumni, and faculty and staff; recruited athletes; graduates of top prep schools; students who will pay full freight to meet the budget the admissions office is given each year; and gender, geographical, and racial diversity. Just remember that it is not at all clear that students with higher grades will be the best students, since they took different courses at different schools. Same with SAT scores. The upper class students who take almost all the spots have all the advantages, none of which they are responsible for. There's a ton of talent in the bottom sixty percent of income levels but those students barely get a shot because they don't have connections or great schools or SAT tutors or knowledgeable admissions counselors.

They all apply to Harvard and only Harvard?

Sheesh. Harvard is overflowing with mediocre students from certain segments of society. Asians sued them a few years back. Court ruled that Harvard is discriminating against Asians....but rules it's okay.

Don't give me this Harvard takes only the elite of the elite. They don't

One thing you won't see at Harvard.

Poor white kids. Poor black kids too. Their parents can't promise a $10 million building like Kushner's dad did

Probably worth considering that even a person with these credentials might not be the best roommate, fellow student, or citizen. Should this type of hollow credentialist be modern society's hero? F#ck no. His response to across the board rejection is the perfect illustration of why the rejection was justified.

your government media pushes racism concept to divide and conquer

it is organizational narcissism, where its all about control and screwing with people in a power trip that is the hall mark of this disorder.

the big machine teaches Americans to identify with something, right left of color etc

which is all garbage

Then you’d be bailing out applicants who are poor at writing essays and impressing in andmission interviews.