I'm always fascinated by the negative weather sentiment for the PNW.. the southwest is hot and humid half the year. The east coast gets pelted with hurricanes in the fall and cold/snow in the winter. The mountain region is having blizzard conditions for their outdoor conference track meets.The midwest gets the worst of all of it.
As for the homelessness.. It was bad around covid, but is improving. I saw homelessness visiting NYC, Chicago, Denver, Phoenix, and LA.. But those places seem to get forgotten.
And lastly, keep boys out of girls sports. Have a nice day.
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Nada wrote:
It's not "kind" to all of the girls who have to race this boy. Putting one boys feelings ahead of all of the girls is the definition of misogyny. It is a travesty and if he gets booed that is what it is.
She should be booed. If a born male wins state that means: A (genetic) girl did not win, a girl did not podium, a girl did not make the final, and a girl did not go. Now OR works different but in most states this would happen.
This is simple middle school biology. The average boy will be significantly faster than the average girl after puberty. Basically the only people who support this are not athletes. I don't think I know a single runner or any other athlete who says this is fair. I even know a trans woman who thinks this is unfair
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If Oregonians really want to change this, they should take the matter into their own hands.
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LO Alum wrote:
Save women's sports wrote:
A travesty.
We need to be kind. You might not like Ada is running by the rules and that is what it is.
Parks did all they said and so much more (i'm talking legit coaching incompetence, way more then what was reported ) and he is never getting that job back, like ever.
You're a complete idiot. Be kind? No, he should not be in a girl's race, period. I don't want to hear another word from you. Hush up.
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your strawwoman wrote:
The argument ends up being reductive on both sides.
At the high school level is probably where competitive disadvantage is going to be the strongest because a trans high schooler has had relatively little (or no) time on HRT. So from a competitive standpoint, it's not going to be fair. If that's all you care about it's sensible to ban her. I'd argue there's nuance here because sports aren't just about competition, especially at that level, and personally the medals and awards I got from racing are far less important to me than the character building experiences and friendships the sport has brought me, but I absolutely concede this is unfair. Doesn't mean transphobes should be losing their mind at her personally. They should be going after OSAA.
College is different, pros even moreso, because there are basically no studies on experienced athletes that track them during their transition to measure the loss of performance from HRT. There are a couple of okay ones on untrained trans women over long periods of time that indicate their strength regressed to the point that their measurements line up with average cis women and whatever advantage they have is basically the difference in weight (and you'd obviously expect a 5'10" woman to be stronger in most metrics than a 5'4" woman, cis or trans). Competitive advantage for high levels of sport is still pretty much unstudied and likely specific to different sports.
So the people you're mashing together for the sake of argument here are probably not the same people, are probably not talking about the same things, and probably have a more nuanced opinion than you're giving them credit for.
The whole point of sports is to make competition as fair as possible. This is incredibly unsporting, so no I don't think it is good at any level to let this happen because it shows those girls who are trying to compete that it doesn't matter whether sports are fair or not. That's a terrible thing to teach highschoolers and other age group children. Not only demoralizing but it does not help with character building either because you are teaching the wrong kind of morals.
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Facts matter ' wrote:
Only an xx girl or woman can win a girl's or a women's athletic event.
The victory of a girl's or a woman's event is always an xx girl or an xx woman.
No man can ever "win" a women's athletic event, because boys and men are not women.
Maria José Martínez-Patiño is former 46,XY female athlete with androgen insensitivity syndrome(AIS) fully eligible to compete in the female category under World Athletics rules.
Why would you forbid her to compete in the women’s category?
PS. This is a serious question, serious answers based on scientific arguments expected.
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you are not smart, sorry wrote:
hayward field wrote:
Key question: is this runner on puberty blockers or hormone replacement therapy? If not, then it's a ridiculous situation. Howver, if they are hormones/blockers, then it might be fair, depending how long they've been taking them. Crazy if they simply identify as a girl and compete without medical intervention to mitigate the effects of puberty. Just my thoughts.
you are an idiot - this isn't harrison bergeron. you can't put the skeletal/muscular/lung capacity growth from going thru male puberty back in the bottle. please educate yourself
Food for thought. An excerpt from an article on US trans runner Sadie Schreiner:
"Schreiner began her transition in high school and takes hormone therapy that keeps testosterone level low and undetectable on lab tests.
She explained, as reported by CNN: “(The hormone therapy) shrank my ligaments. It’s made me shorter. It’s made me weaker. It’s lessened my muscles. It’s redistributing my fat. It’s lowered my lung capacity.
“My biology is fundamentally different than a cis man.”I understand folks want to make it a black and white issue--with no gray areas. (I'm reminded of "W" and the Iraq war: "You're either with us or against us.") A lot of people are wired to see the world that way.
IMO, when it comes to trans athletes in sports, I think there should be a balance between inclusiveness, fairness. And that balance shifts depending on the level on competition. In grade school, for example, the emphasis should be on inclusiveness. As you progress toward the elite level, the emphasis shifts toward fairness. And of course, different sports will have different rules, e.g. archery versus weightlifting or rugby.
Also, the effects of male puberty should be mitigated by hormone replacement therapy (HRT). If transgender girls/women in high school and college want to compete with the gender they identify with, I feel they should be on HRT-probably for a year or two before competing--even if it means sitting out a season or two. Just my two cents.
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yay marxism wrote:
Nada wrote:
It's not "kind" to all of the girls who have to race this boy. Putting one boys feelings ahead of all of the girls is the definition of misogyny. It is a travesty and if he gets booed that is what it is.
She should be booed. If a born male wins state that means: A (genetic) girl did not win, a girl did not podium, a girl did not make the final, and a girl did not go. Now OR works different but in most states this would happen.
This is simple middle school biology. The average boy will be significantly faster than the average girl after puberty. Basically the only people who support this are not athletes. I don't think I know a single runner or any other athlete who says this is fair. I even know a trans woman who thinks this is unfair
There’s nothing fair about sports. It’s not fair at all, that one kid has the talent to run 8:40 for 3200m, while another can’t break 10:00. The there can be the same rules, but that’s it.
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Ghost of Igloi wrote:
Proof there is a lot of mental illness.
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de la Chapelle wrote:
Facts matter ' wrote:
Only an xx girl or woman can win a girl's or a women's athletic event.
The victory of a girl's or a woman's event is always an xx girl or an xx woman.
No man can ever "win" a women's athletic event, because boys and men are not women.
Maria José Martínez-Patiño is former 46,XY female athlete with androgen insensitivity syndrome(AIS) fully eligible to compete in the female category under World Athletics rules.
Why would you forbid her to compete in the women’s category?
PS. This is a serious question, serious answers based on scientific arguments expected.
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Postmodern philosophy brought to life before our eyes. No standards; no logic; disregard for elective excellence. No sense. Just nonsense.
I think it is Communism - activism trying to break down Western values from within, for the purpose of weakening Western masculinity, and the Western ability to fight. Discus
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The invisible victims are:
1) The girl who would have run in this race if this dude wasn't on the track.
2) The girl who didn't get to run at all because girl #1 was forced down to JV.
3) The families, friends, and coaches of girls #1 and #2.
One less fond high school memory for everybody involved.
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de la Chapelle wrote:
Facts matter ' wrote:
Only an xx girl or woman can win a girl's or a women's athletic event.
The victory of a girl's or a woman's event is always an xx girl or an xx woman.
No man can ever "win" a women's athletic event, because boys and men are not women.
Maria José Martínez-Patiño is a former 46,XY female athlete with androgen insensitivity syndrome(AIS) fully eligible to compete in the female category under World Athletics rules.
Why would you forbid her to compete in the women’s category?
PS. This is a serious question, serious answers based on scientific arguments expected.
To all those who have downvoted this post, can you explain why? Do you even know who Maria José Martínez-Patiño is and why would you think that she shouldn’t be allowed to compete in the female category?
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PDX leftwing radical lunatic wrote:
snapdragon wrote:
The homelessness issue is getting better and the weather is just fine, bro. Spring is coming and it's going to be an amazing outdoor T&F season.
What I will say is that the vast majority of Portlanders that I talk to don't agree with having boys competing in girls sports. It's a sham and one only the state athletic association can fix.
Agreed! I'm in many ways a typical liberal Portlander, and am totally against boys competing in girls events. Like most people, I think it's a no-brainer. All the people I know, which outside of my family is basically other left-leaning runners, feel the same way. Not really sure who the people are who champion the boys masquerading as girls are. And I really don't care to be "approved of" by the right-wingers, and am well aware that that is something that will never happen, but still, let the record show: most hardcore liberal Portlanders, as far as I can tell, don't support this type of thing.
right
left people dont support this. almost none.
the agenda is forced thru gov and via ai bots. to make it look like there is great support.
with organizations, they play along as they fear losing their paycheck, and talk the talk they know is wrong.
sure
there is a very small fringe fraction for, withoutvtrack record of functionality.
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longjackssss wrote:
PDX leftwing radical lunatic wrote:
Agreed! I'm in many ways a typical liberal Portlander, and am totally against boys competing in girls events. Like most people, I think it's a no-brainer. All the people I know, which outside of my family is basically other left-leaning runners, feel the same way. Not really sure who the people are who champion the boys masquerading as girls are. And I really don't care to be "approved of" by the right-wingers, and am well aware that that is something that will never happen, but still, let the record show: most hardcore liberal Portlanders, as far as I can tell, don't support this type of thing.
right
left people dont support this. almost none.
the agenda is forced thru gov and via ai bots. to make it look like there is great support.
with organizations, they play along as they fear losing their paycheck, and talk the talk they know is wrong.
sure
there is a very small fringe fraction for, withoutvtrack record of functionality.
When you support ANY party that keeps pushing any agenda
YOU SUPPORT THAT AGENDA
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Thank you for confirming you have never taken a science class beyond middle school
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yay marxism wrote:
Nada wrote:
It's not "kind" to all of the girls who have to race this boy. Putting one boys feelings ahead of all of the girls is the definition of misogyny. It is a travesty and if he gets booed that is what it is.
She should be booed. If a born male wins state that means: A (genetic) girl did not win, a girl did not podium, a girl did not make the final, and a girl did not go. Now OR works different but in most states this would happen.
This is simple middle school biology. The average boy will be significantly faster than the average girl after puberty. Basically the only people who support this are not athletes. I don't think I know a single runner or any other athlete who says this is fair. I even know a trans woman who thinks this is unfair
"She" is inconsistent with everything else in your post.
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Ghost of Igloi wrote:
PDX leftwing radical lunatic wrote:
Agreed! I'm in many ways a typical liberal Portlander, and am totally against boys competing in girls events. Like most people, I think it's a no-brainer. All the people I know, which outside of my family is basically other left-leaning runners, feel the same way. Not really sure who the people are who champion the boys masquerading as girls are. And I really don't care to be "approved of" by the right-wingers, and am well aware that that is something that will never happen, but still, let the record show: most hardcore liberal Portlanders, as far as I can tell, don't support this type of thing.
Why do you vote for Government who does?
Probably because the alternative is to vote for tyranny.
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Ruxton Towers XC wrote:
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
Why do you vote for Government who does?
Because I really, really care about things like air & water pollution, school funding, forestry issues, women's rights, rule of law, civil rights, and public health. Since the right wing in Washington, Oregon, and around the USA is wrong on those issues, I vote against them.
I hate the idiotic stance the Dems have taken regarding boys in girls' sports, but that is not the only issue that I care about.
And this is why we need direct democracy. Representative democracy is failing us by creating political gangs instead of informed citizens. Also, there’s no excuse in this technological age why it can’t be done. Citizens should be able to directly vote on whether boys can compete as girls.
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Make sure the justice department is aware of this.
Maine just agreed to end biological males participating in women sports.
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