what day is this 10k? friday?
what day is this 10k? friday?
Cummings 3:37.6 1500 27:43
Culpepper 3:55.12 27:33
Kennedy 3:56.21 27:37
McChesney 3:56.36 27:47
Hill 3:56.41 27:56
Cummings 3:37.6 = 3:54.9
Kennedy 3:38.32 = 3:55.69
Culpepper 3:38.64 = 3:56.02
Hill 3:39.85 = 3:57.33
McChesney 3:40.0 = 3:57.50
you guys are leaving out one very tough, mumbling, south african/irishman. this is the guy to look out for.
Ritz will beat Webb (or at least he should). I think Webb cound run 27:50 though on a good day.
If Ritz is just in this race to lower his PR, then he runs 27:25.
If he is in it to win it, he runs 27:18.
Sorry, but I have to say the "ifs" because I don't know his motivation here. Bottom line is I'm saying he could run 27:18 as his max right now. Even I'll be surprised if he goes faster than that this time. But, Ritz is definitely good enough to surprise.
daze gone by wrote:
what day is this 10k? friday?
I think the meet is Sunday. Does anyone have start lists yet? I figure they'll eventually be on the Stanford web site, but probably not until at least Friday and maybe later.
Could be interesting...
Mac wrote:
Could be interesting...
This sucks actually... with abdi not running, who here is capable of going with Ritz to set up a fast time? Cragg may be there, but he's more of a shorter distance guy and Fam hasn't shown that he's in decent enough shape.
Great White Hope wrote:
Mac wrote:Could be interesting...
who here is capable of going with Ritz to set up a fast time?
Webb?
This is a very interesting "experiment" in my opinion.
I have always believed that there is a strong tendency for Americans to race the shortest distance they have the speed for. I have cited Geb as an example. I believe that had Geb been American, he would have stayed a miler, given his 3:31 and Indoor WC gold at that distance.
This really bucks that trend. Webb has always been a very, very good cross country runner. He crushed the "better" distance runners of Wisco at Big Ten his frosh year and then was eleventh as a true frosh at Nats in a race he considered a disappointment.
Very interesting. They always seem to have a good gauge of his current fitness, and I believe he boosted his mileage again this year into the 85/week range. Not "high" by "distance" runner standards, but certainly higher than what produced 8:11 and 13:10.
Facts in the way of a rant wrote:
Cummings 3:37.6 1500 27:43
Culpepper 3:55.12 27:33
Kennedy 3:56.21 27:37
McChesney 3:56.36 27:47
Hill 3:56.41 27:56
Cummings 3:37.6 = 3:54.9
Kennedy 3:38.32 = 3:55.69
Culpepper 3:38.64 = 3:56.02
Hill 3:39.85 = 3:57.33
McChesney 3:40.0 = 3:57.50
You don't think Ritz could run a 3:57?
Flagpole Willy wrote:
Ritz will beat Webb (or at least he should).......
HA HA HA......Webb even has Flagpole Willy scared for his boy D-Ritz!!! Now THAT has got to tell you something about Alan Webb's ability, when even Flagpole (the man who thinks Ritz walks on water) has some doubts about Ritz beating Webb AT A TEN K !!!
My how things have changed. Flagpole, last year you were on here guaranteeing that Ritz would whip Webb in a TWO MILE......and now you are not 100% sure Ritz can beat Webb at over three times that distance! Funny, funny stuff.
All I know is: if Webb beats Ritz at 10k, then you, Mr Flagpole Willy, will have to forever cease and desist in saying that these two young men are "equally talented." You will just have to stop that, ok? Because that would mean that Webb could beat Ritz at EVERY SINGLE DISTANCE ON THE TRACK.
(Flagpole Willy is gonna be having a nervous couple days to say the least....)
Webb won the Big 10 mile but he hardly crushed the field, it was quite a group sprint (and I think that Spiker fell). Also, since Webb had the best PR coming in, if you ran a "handicap" race based on PRs, he would have been behind most of that finishing pack. Yes, he won but not to the extent one might have expected. Webb's training/racing did not go so well that year and he eventually changed course and that change has worked out well for him.
Cragg.....he was 4th at the World Indoor's 3k, behind Bekele, Shaheen and Kipchoge.....
Cragg will win this race, because Ritz can't drop him. Webb will struggle after 6000m
Sir Lance-alot wrote: Because that would mean that Webb could beat Ritz at EVERY SINGLE DISTANCE ON THE TRACK.
(Flagpole Willy is gonna be having a nervous couple days to say the least....)
I've heard of track 20Ks, I'm positive Ritz would beat him there. We all know Ritz is a stronger cross runner anyways.
26mi235 wrote:
Webb won the Big 10 mile but he hardly crushed the field, it was quite a group sprint (and I think that Spiker fell). Also, since Webb had the best PR coming in, if you ran a "handicap" race based on PRs, he would have been behind most of that finishing pack. Yes, he won but not to the extent one might have expected. Webb's training/racing did not go so well that year and he eventually changed course and that change has worked out well for him.
Um, you missed his point. Zatopek was referencing Webb's win at the Big10 CROSS-COUNTRY race his frosh year, when he was still only 18. And that race was FIVE miles my friend, not 1500 meters. And the next week Webb was 2nd in the x-c National qualifers/Regionals at 10k , only behind Boaz (who won easily). But Webb beat some big time distance runners in that race.
Coach Bigfoot wrote:
I've heard of track 20Ks, I'm positive Ritz would beat him there. We all know Ritz is a stronger cross runner anyways.
Oh, give me a break. 20k on the track?? How often is THAT raced? Like hardly ever. I mean sure, people run ultra-marathons on tracks. Obviously I was talking about TRADITIONAL track races. Stop making pre-excuses for Ritz (loweing expectations for him). And if Ritz's race is cross, then why did he not fair so well in his last two BIG cross races (world cross '05, USA nationals '06) ?
If Ritz can't handle Webb at 10k, we learn one of two things, or a combination of both:
1) Ritz is NOT the track runner some still conceive of him someday becoming, and he should really hasten his move to the roads/marathon where maybe he CAN be the superstar some believe him to be.
2) Webb is indeed the once in a lifetime track runner the USA has been longing for, and many believe him to be, and will be under 3:47 mile and 13:00 5k in no time.
Cragg 27:30
Webb 27:35
Ritz 27:40
Belz 27:45
This could be an important race for Ritz. He obviously wants to be the best in the world and will not be one of these guys who settles for just breaking US records but finishing down the field when it comes to international races. I think if Webb beats him over 10k he will take a long hard look in the mirror and realize it is not going to happen for him over 10k. This could lead to him moving up to the marathon and given his injury history I am not sure that his body will be able to cope with the training required for a marathon. In saying that if the presence of WEbb (and Cragg) in this races spurs him on to a sub 27.30 at this point then the extra confidence gained could lead to a breakout year (ie very low 13's/27's in Europe this summer)
26mi235 wrote:
Last year he ran 13:30; do you expect him to tack a 13:50 or better on at the end of that this early? Maybe he can run under 27:20 but I would be VERY surprised if it happens in the next few days.
Actually he ran 13:10 last year in Berlin.
Maybe, just maybe, the base training of a world-class miler would allow that person to run a fast 10k.
Duh, my bad.
I think people are getting a little carried away here. The race is May 1, not in June. Webb opened last year at Penn in a solid but not fast 13:30 and will do something similar here, I think (28:00, although his speed endurance is probably not there so the rule of "10000time = 2x5000time + 1 min" should be pressing it for him). Ritz had some significant problems that caused him to drop the WXC, so he is not likely in peak form.